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Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Aetius

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    I have drunk nothing but water for about two months. I briefly had milk at the outset since I bought some cereal, but have but strictly hydro-homie since the cereal ran out.
     
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    I’m mostly water, skim milk, one coffee a day. I have a beer or two Friday and Saturday night. I still work out every day though.

    The best thing everybody could do is quit drinking soda/pop. Get a streamer, or use water enhancers as a substitute but STOP DRINKING THAT SHIT. You won’t believe how better you perform in waking hours, the weight you’ll keep down, the teeth you’ll still have when you die. Sugar is a drug, but it’s REALLY easy to quit. Once you don’t touch it for a few days you simply will not miss it.

    this pandemic is the best ever opportunity for people to learn how to cook good, easy and cheap meals at home instead of ordering untrustworthy crap from Fatfried McGreasies.
     
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    Jesus, I can’t begin to know what it’s gonna look like next month, nevermind 5 years from now
     
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    I just had this discussion at work: what do you do when you lose 30% of the jobs but not 30% of the population?
     
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    Adopt UBI, radically change how the government generates revenue and change the models we use for keeping the economy chugging forward.

    Because if 30% of jobs just disappear then they didn't really need to exist in the first place.
     
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    Actually, it's more like 30% of the jobs but not 29.5% of the population.
     
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    No 30% of jobs disappeared because the dynamics changed not that they were unneeded before.

    I have a feeling this will shake out like 9/11. We’ll be primed and jittery for the next few years and there will be some readjustments in government agencies that handle this. I think the long term social distancing stuff will wither in the next year or so. We’re just too social to let a once in a century virus change us forever. You think people are going to be afraid to go to football games forever? You think people are going to stay active to keep their immune system healthy? If it doesn’t morph into something more dangerous for younger people we’ll absorb the new deaths psychologically like we do the hundreds of thousands that die from obesity related deaths and medical malpractice.
     
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    That's probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
     
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    Yeah, if the only jobs that should exists are the bare necessities of what is needed to survive, I'd agree with you, but that is not at all realistic.

    We don't "need" a ton of shit to live... movies, bars, restaurants, etc, but that doesn't mean that they should not be present in order to actually enjoy live beyond just survival.

    I kinda have to agree with @GTE on this one.
     
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    I don't think that 30% of all jobs will disappear. I was just answering the hypothetical.

    But I think that 50% of all jobs will change in some meaningful way. I don't think that everyone will be rushing back into the office after working at home for 18 months. And I don't think that the people who were told their jobs were essential to the survival of the economy will be willing to step back down to minimum wage.
     
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    Totally agree.

    I also think that our outlook towards work will have changed a bit... work from home has opened up a lot more of people's "private" side, and we're now seeing them in the roles of mothers, fathers, etc, as you watch them deal with their families living in the same space while trying to have a business call.

    People seem to be more human and forgiving of one another now (at least from what I've seen in my day-to-day), and I think that will stick around to some degree.

    I also think that work from home will be much more accepted. Some people HAVE to work with and around other people, others prefer to be left alone and get their shit done, and we're seeing that some people are much more effective during WFH than they were having to go into an office every day. So many "no tele-commuting" rules seem to come from old-school ways of thinking, but this has forced people to see that not only is it possible, but it's also better in some cases.
     
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    Yeah, I think those old ways of thinking are officially dead, it just needed a final driving impetus.

    And I think you’re right of people changing the way they see coworkers. It’s not just some other jack-off in a white shirt and tie now, and ironically it took remote working to see that.

    As for “necessary” jobs, that supply is relative to how much they’re demanded. Private companies don’t just hire people for no reason (at least not intentionally); governments do that.
     
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    The metaphorical machete that should be taken to public jobs and public salaries is bigger than the Three Gorges Dam. You can start with how much money they waste with three simple words: “Suspended, With Pay.” Where any fuckup in the private sector gets you fired, in the public sector it gets you months, even years of fully-paid vacation. Then when firing time FINALLY comes, they retire the day before and collect full benefits.

    ....that’s just ONE problem with the government wasting hundreds of millions on unnecessary and corrupt people.
     
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    One thing great about wearing a mask in public: you can make funny/obscene faces directly at strangers.... and they don’t even know!
     
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    My brother-in-law was taking his kids to a fencing gym that claimed to sanitize the place every 3 hours. It was huge. You'd have to shut down for 3 hours just to sanitize it. People breathing hard, bits of spit when they're lifting heavy, sweat everywhere enhancing the spreadability. Your brother is right to be losing it.
     
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    Hale And Pace predicted the future.

     
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    The remote work demands a lot more faith in employees, and I think some organizations are in good shape to take advantage of that and some aren't. I also think it's a lot more intimate: I am seeing my staff at home, we are bleeding into hours we normally don't work, and some of the boundaries have blurred. For example, I've worked with one of my staff to help review his wife's resume and network on her behalf, or getting my staff some overtime to overcome an unexpected layoff.

    We've almost always had a remote work policy (2 days per week), but it was unpopular with senior management last year. That tune has changed, and the ones still griping about it are seen as grumpy old people refusing to accept the new normal. We adopted a lot of extracurriculars (sharing pics, recipe sharing, virtual happy hours, etc.) to make up for some lost team rapport. The management team also appears in video on all calls, and while it's awkward as hell, it does help demonstrate professionalism: I showered, shaved under my beard, and put on my normal work clothes. Now, we're seeing data suggesting we are actually more productive in some things at home. My team is doing more "production" in this environment, but they have more meetings because they can't just walk over and ask a question, especially from another team. Also, we have a lot of overlap with other teams, so the coordination has to be intentional, planned out and functional; previously it could happen organically by walking over to another desk. In my case, I can work 12-14 hours a day, because I can manage my life/needs in between things, and I don't lose time in a commute.

    The other thing that this might change is housing and the need to be in a city. My staff with roommates or in shared housing (I have one girl that's renting a basement apartment) are MISERABLE. In my case, the difference between 2 days remote work a week or 3 days, is the difference between a 10 mile commute being maximum and a 30 mile commute being acceptable. At that range, housing costs plummet. Our number one issue in hiring right now is cost of living in DC/VA, and if I can offer 1-2 days per week in the office, you can commute further and we can broaden our search.