I definitely wouldn't want to take my chances with 'rona while recovering from invasive surgery, but I'd much rather get the procedure and then complete isolate than gamble with cancer.
Define normal. They can operate at full capacity, they just made masks mandatory, and sanitize the gloves periodically. That's what some are doing anyway. The hospitals issue is interesting. The northeast got overwhelmed and nearly broke from being beyond capacity, but down here in Florida nurses are getting laid off because people are so averse to go in at all unless they feel their life is already at risk. I went a month ago to an urgent care clinic to get a release back to work, and I was there about an hour, and was the only person who went in, or out that entire time. That isn't only happening in Florida though. https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/8524...-of-health-care-workers-face-furloughs-layoff
And what’re you going to do when there isn’t a vaccine next year? Continue to live like that? BS All the SJWs are eating this shit up right now with no endgame. The fun part is when all the self righteous get called out for doing what they’re shaming others for. All the steam in this movement is to shame others.
Is this just a phrase without any meaning at this point? Is Anthony Fauci a "SJW"? A 79 year old epidemiologist who worked in the Reagan Administration, does he have a gay fanfic tumblr account I'm unaware of or something?
Do most people even talk, or care about what 'average' people are doing though? How this is being treated in general? It just seems more like a continuation of utter fascination into what the stupidest motherfuckers in society are doing at the moment, retardation quote of the week, and then 'pwning' them for being so stupid. Never gets old...
It's disgusting of you to point this out and in some way mock these deaths - these people were cut down in the prime of their lives!
I just showed you in my last post how inaccurate the numbers really are. The paper of record, the NYT, made a full front page article listing 1,000 names of people alleged to have died of COVID-19 and added a human touch with a blurb about who there were. You get to number six on the page before finding a blatant lie. It's not surprising, murder victims, alcohol poisonings, etc counting as COVID deaths - I included the links for you. To only say that they are undercounted at this point is to deny reality. This is going to be big in the near future. States are already investigating this as a crime. https://www.9news.com/article/news/...icial/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2 Why can't meat processing plants function normally? Why can't grocery stores function normally? http://www.ufcw.org/2020/04/28/wmdreport/ 72 deaths amongst over 1.3 million individuals. Those numbers aren't that far out of alignment with what you find elsewhere. I'm still searching, though, trying to find reason to be hysterical about this - https://www.foxnews.com/health/nearly-900-tyson-foods-plant-indiana-test-positive-coronavirus Here was the Nation's hotspot in South Dakota in April - https://www.keloland.com/keloland-c...nt-becomes-the-number-one-hotspot-in-america/ As of today, 50 COVID-19 deaths in SD, I guess there weren't too many 85 year olds on the line? Healthcare worker suicides from being overwhelmed? How many instances of suicides are there? How many ICUs are actually overwhelmed right now? I don't think you are downplaying it at all. I think you are about 3 to 4 weeks behind reality and you sound hysterical because of it. Don't feel bad about that though, you aren't alone. EDIT: I'll add this as well because I have been wondering where the anti-facists were at with all of these anti-freedom Government edicts. Turns out they were exactly where I thought I would find them......They are taking a break from anti-facism and trying to promote compliance. Funny, really, not safe to be outside and you should stay inside, except to protest for political ends.
So, internet wisdom and Fox news is suggesting the count of 100,000 people is over-counted. Actual experts are suggesting it's under-counted. Who should we believe? Well, qui bono? The people agitating to get back to work so they can minimize their losses? Fox news and a bunch of twitter bots trying to get everyone pissed off? Or the people agitating to stay safe and not die because they can....what? Be right? Have fewer dead friends and relatives? What is their gain here? Why are they nefariously shouting "be safe, this is scary"? To what end? If my choice is between those two groups of liars, I'm sticking with the liars who are at least pretending to prevent unnecessary death, rather than the people saying it's acceptable for untold thousands to die to get the economy up and running. The reasoning is simple: dead people aren't going to help the economy. Sick people aren't going to help the economy. Scared people aren't going to help the economy. Misinformed people often wind up dead, sick or scared, and that isn't helping things either. This disease is risky. We as a society have determined that cars are worth the risk of let's say 50,000 dead a year, but not workplace accidents. We've determined that cancer and heart diseases 1.3 million deaths a year are worth tremendous expenditures on public health, diet, scientific research and cardiovascular exercise. COVID-19 at 99% survival rate (which: shark attacks and snake bites also have a 99% survival rate, but we limit our exposure to them anyway) is still very risky. If your risk tolerance is a bit beyond what is deemed socially acceptable, chalk it up to the costs of living in a society, or go buy and island and try anarchy. Also, your logic is the same as saying "global warming doesn't exist because there was snow in Michigan in January" or "global hunger isn't a problem because I have consistently had lunch most days." Lastly, suggesting that the 100,000 dead from COVID-19 are dead from other causes (again, to what end? What benefit does anyone possibly gain from lying about causes of death? What could possibly force thousands of doctors, coroners and medical professionals to systematically lie about a cause of death all at once? What grand conspiracy do you honestly think is in place here?) is a form of cognitive dissonance. It's very different when it's personal: when it's YOUR grandmother dying, when it's YOUR staff crying because they can't attend funerals, when it's YOUR colleagues suffering and dying from an unnecessary and preventable disease. It's eerily similar to the Sandy Hook truthers, and I don't think kindness is returned for spreading horseshit conspiracy theories about the dead when their families are still in shock and at risk. Relevant:
You're so full of shit it's ridiculous. Refute what I put in that post. Refute that those deaths that had nothing to do with COVID weren't classified as COVID deaths. Refute the fact that the media is pumping this thing for all it's worth and flat-out lying while they do it. Refute any of it, otherwise it's all bullshit from someone from the Government in another botched Government effort trying to claim a pyrrhic victory that if it wasn't for your effort to put 30 million people out of work then we would have millions dead. You can't prove any of that, you yourself posted articles on here that used the Imperial College as their first example. You can very quickly figure out why that is a problem with 5 minutes of google-fu.
He has better things to do then waste his time refuting your asinine arguments when at every single occasion that someone did refute your nonsense you just doubled down with more shit gargling. Go do something else and stop demanding that the people here with actual facts, information and involvement in this crisis spend their emotional labour mopping up your pathetic tears. You contribute nothing and you are a waste of time.
Watch it. Of the two of you, one is being patient and thoughtful and providing insight into the inner workings of an area you rarely get to see, along with real stats and figures, and being astonishingly patient overall. The other one is regularly posting asinine blog articles. You get a vacation if you can't control yourself. You only get the one warning. I abso-fucking-lutely love that your position is this is even relevant to COVID death tolls. NYT published some names. I'm perfectly willing to accept they got some wrong. I'm also perfectly willing to accept that yes, in our wide and varied medical establishment, some deaths were classified incorrectly. What relevance does this have? It this somehow objective evidence that COVID deaths are meaningfully over-counted?
I don't entirely agree with Oden's view on Covid, but his post never came close to any of this. If you think his examples are misleading, or inaccurate then say why because it looks like all you're doing is fabricating arguments that are more convenient to knock down.
Oh cool a little threat. So, as usual you don't like what I say or how I say it and you hand out the threat of a break? Sad. Then go on to dismiss the argument that the count is off by saying yeah, but so what? I provided you three examples of localities where this is occurring as well as one where it is a formal investigation. It's not as though the media is going to bet against their big moneymaker, COVID, on a wide scale. The reports aren't going to be easy to find and you aren't going to get a lot of hospital administrators admitting it either. It's not like there is a financial incentive to reporting COVID deaths, is there? It's not as though hospital revenue streams haven't been destroyed by this or anything? No reason to believe that there is even a hint of a possibility? I've never lost control, only given the due level of respect to the responses received.
Anyone with half a clue knows the Imperial college 2 million deaths number was without any changes of public behavior whatsoever. Excess deaths in hard hit areas are actually higher than what's attributed to Covid 19 everywhere on the globe. That's what on calls a hint. Individual instances don't mean shit. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-mortality-hint-higher-coronavirus-death.html
Oh, I get it, you think that was his first time? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/six-questions-that-neil-ferguson-should-be-asked Do your homework, homie. This guy specializes in being wrong.
Him being wrong about other predictions doesn't change anything in regards to what I posted. The 2 million deaths number was if the public didn't change any behaviors. No one has any clue if it was right or wrong because it didn't happen.
Reread question 6. The only thing we know for sure is the model was fucked up from the word go and everyone took his word as gospel despite his dubious track record.
If perspective has any relevance, the US had relatively less-strict lockdown procedures than other countries, particularly ones that were hit earlier. In some cases, people were even prevented from returning to their own home in order to prevent infecting their immediate family. The other point worth noting, is that there is zero consistency on data collection and analysis methodologies, source-to-source. Which is why you see wildly different predictions and numbers. So defending one source and shitting on another, is a waste of time unless you’re trying to satisfy a confirmation bias.