I thought this was funny, until I realized that it was a bit too accurate. https://www.facebook.com/thephoenix1226/videos/2645840735686465
It is not simply "X" in every thousand children die, it may be "X" in every thousand children that aren't resistant or immune may die. I believe Rush corrected your math above. What's the percentage of people that aren't affected at all by the virus? Look, any kids passing away sucks, it always will, no matter the cause. But this number is going to be so damn small that I will risk it. You believe what you believe, that's ok, keep your kids home, no one is going to hold a gun to your head and force you to send your kids to school.
Unless those at-risk people in your life are completely isolating themselves, your argument falls apart. Do those people leave their homes at all, for groceries or anything?
That we know of. With some studies showing long term damage to bodily systems besides respiratory, do we know that those who present as asymptotic won’t suffer some effects later?
My mother hasn’t left her apartment property in three months. My dad walks around the block, that’s it. My wife’s grandmother has been confined to her apartment, period. Because they’re all genuinely scared. And they should be. People here are not satisfied with “There’s a very good chance that blah blah blah”. They are satisfied with “ALL CLEAR.” This is one of the many reasons why Canada is so far better off than the States now: accepting that a virus doesn’t give a shit about society, leisure, or bi-partisan politics.
Are there viruses that adversely effect and damage systems of asymptomatic people? It would be the first time I've heard of it, but I ain't no doctor.
Then you're one of the very, very few that can climb on that high horse and sit there, proud. Your kids can stay home. I'd also argue with any school system that forced in person instruction on people. My parents and grandparents live 5 hours away, I'm not protecting them by keeping my child at home. And, they're not completely isolating themselves because they're not AS scared. Concerned, yes. Cautious, yes. Scared to leave the home, no, that's not them. Their age is the only thing that puts them at risk, no known medical conditions that would add to their risk.
No high horse. I am personally more careful than most others by experience, not opinion. It’s because of earlier trauma: My daughter is asthmatic and was born without lungs. The first two years of her life she had about 15 brushes with death. People are welcome to do what they want, lives are defined by context. But I am personally not fucking around, even with how “safe” it is around here. Most people in stores here wear a mask, I’d say 3 out of 4 despite their being no store rules or orders to do it. And this is with us now being on “Phase Three” (most businesses are open now) and we haven’t had a single case in this city for three days now. There is no He Said, She Said here about this virus. We have an understanding: this virus is real, it kills people we love, and it’s not going away. Patience is the weapon, and slight sacrifices are a lot easier than returning to the Toilet Paper Battle Royale.
I honestly don’t know. But this one is certainly more than “just the flu” as so many are crowing. People a lot smarter than me are still learning about this virus. I think it’s worth asking if there’s a chance it could have hidden adverse effects on those otherwise asymptomatic.
You and everybody else who keep citing death rates are missing the goddamn point. The issue isn't the death rate. The issue is the rate in which the infection is spread. COVID-19 spreads more easily than the flu because it's airborne. Having the flu doesn't lead to long term organ damage the same way that COVID-19 seems to be doing. I've never heard of the flu turning someone into an amputee and making his lungs seem like he'd been smoking for 50 years. I've never heard of the flu forcing people onto lung transplant waiting lists. It kills more people than the flu because the flu tends to not kill or maim younger people with underlying conditions, like diabetes. The more people that get infected, the higher the chance people die or suffer debilitating effects for the rest of their lives. I don't want to live in a world where I am a financial burden to my children, or worrying about long term care for them after I die. Especially because a subset of this country's dipshits failed to give a single flying fuck about anything but owning some libs or believing whatever dumb fucking thing their equally stupid dipshit president keeps barfing out over non-partisan, qualified and experienced experts. Do you want things to go back to normal as quickly as possible? Do you want to prevent long term economic damage that will fuck not only you but at least the next generation? Wear a fucking mask.
Yes, COVID does. It's still being studied what the long-term effects are, but researchers were finding that asymptomatic COVID-19 carriers were still experiencing lung lesions and abnormalities: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-dont-fully-understand-the-label-asymptomatic The study is linked in the article. More than half of the asymptomatic patients examined had lung abnormalities that are typically associated with Coronavirus.
That also doesn't touch on the cardiac issues that are surfacing due to COVID. COVID seems to be attacking the entire cardiopulmonary system, and is causing issues with the brain as well. It's going to be a long time before the links between asymptomatic COVID and long term issues show up due to the fact that, well, they are asymptomatic. My mother's cardiologist told us about the early warnings and findings going out to his peer group, and it's hinting at some ugly long term issues that they're just starting to see. Nothing final, no long term study results... but they WILL be coming as this progresses. For now, though, the guys in the field are seeing a very noticeable impact.
This irks me: we cannot know for sure what the long term implications of this are for a virus that's 6 months old. We are willing to put kids at risk, which is patently unfair because they have DECADES to deal with those implications, and the justification for putting them at risk is pretty thin. It bothers me that we keep assuming "well, if you don't die from it, no harm no foul", when that is patently not the case over and over again. Most people skate through an infection ok, that's true. However, if schools are opened back up, it will result in dead kids, disabled kids and dead and disabled adults. How many we don't know, but the assumption that kids aren't harmed by this is stupid and wrong. This is the same country that refused to implement gun control in the face of dozens of dead kids, time and time again, so.... HPV is a good example of a virus that can cause complications without "symptoms", but by definition...adverse effects and damaged systems are symptoms of a malady.
Well, shit. I've heard that my county is planning to lock down all non-essential business/ travel again. At this point, I think it's too little, too late.
NY state just implemented restrictions on places that serve alcohol. They can only serve also him to people who are ordering food. Furthermore, no ordering at the bar, period. So small bars and organizations like our Moose lodge could be fucked once again. We have an emergency meeting tonight to figure out how we’ll be able to stay open. But I know a few places in PA have already shut down.
Totally agree, I just didn't have a study on-hand for the cardio issues. There have been discussions of this from physicians for a while now. I just don't understand why people are willing to just shrug this shit off. We literally have no idea what the long term impacts of this are, we are seeing that there are permanent changes to the cardiopulmonary system, we're even seeing those changes in asymptomatic carriers, and people are still willing to funnel thousands of kids back into enclosed spaces so they can pass this virus around to themselves and the people around them. It's absolutely ridiculous.
too many questions, very few reliable answers. So people come up with answers that fit what they want to think, and go with that. The whole concept of "be safe, be patient, be cautious and see how this plays out" is lost on people.
I am not sure what in my post made you think I have a problem wearing a mask. I do when I'm out. And, all the return to school procedures (which is what my post was about) that I've seen include mask wearing. And, I wasn't missing the point (I know sometimes you don't like to read and actually understand what other people are posting if it disagrees with your opinion). A post was made which specifically referred to the likelihood of death for a school child, and that's what I responded to.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...culture-will-cut-billions-of-miles-of-driving This is an interesting long term effect: 10% fewer miles driven means 10% less gas purchased, accelerating the decline of fossil fuels.