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Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Crown Royal

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    They said the photos were taken “out of context”. This was a quote from a person in charge of a school.

    Photos CAN’T be taken out of context, because they literally capture the moment occurring. You filled halls with kids and now they are sick. It’s all your fault.

    The principal is also saying classes will resume as normal. Arrest the fucking loser already.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html

    My understanding is the excess mortality is 54,000 dead on top of the COVID-19 official death count.

    The struggle here is..."excess mortality" means "more than normal". Well, normal is already out the window here. So, for example, we'd expect a certain amount of automobile and workplace fatalities, but with the unemployment and the lockdown, those numbers should be diminished. Are they? And was that sort of aberration accounted for?

    I think you can say things like "the pandemic has killed upwards of 200,000 Americans" safely.

    Based on my nerd's earlier math, 200k translates to 8.6m cases. That's a death rate of 2.3%, and you can triple that for a "not dead but damaged count" of 6.9%.

    So, 9.2 out of every 100 people who get this either die or have permanent damage.

    If we all get it, that's a fucking apocalypse. 9% of the US population is either dead or needs oxygen, has permanent heart/lung/brain damage and is disabled?

    The people who scare me the most are the ones who think "we're all going to get it eventually", because that isn't going to end well for just under 10% of us, which is again...33 MILLION people, or the entire population of California.
     
  3. Kubla Kahn

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    So the extra 54k is what then not enough hospital beds for non covid sick people and suicides and such?
     
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    My understanding is that it's deaths that are above the statistical norm that are not immediately identifiable as being because of COVID.

    This is like the precursor to "hey, this isn't normal or in our face... why is this happening?" that leads to more long term investigation and potential "oh... look... COVID causes this to happen that seems to be increasing the mortality of people with this ailment..." investigation and findings.
     
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    The overwhelming majority of them are going to be COVID deaths that weren't labeled as such. Most of them will probably have been labeled pneumonia; we're seeing "pneumonia" deaths way above what we would expect in a normal year.
     
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    Six new cases here since Friday and 50 people quarantined. Because someone came from out of state, didn't quarantine, went to a big party with no masks and social distancing.

    I'm still skeptical NY schools can open for long, if at all.
     
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    Yeah what I’ve said since the beginning. What did people expect to happen when you shut down the economy? You are shutting down the governments‘ revenue stream.

    Hey with digital classrooms fewer teachers can teach an unlimited amount of students. Even with a small class size results have got to be atrocious trying to teach kids with the unlimited amount of distractions being at their house with a teacher on a screen. I’d have never graduated high school left to my own devices at home. Early morning time was ridiculous, and needs to be changed, but being in class gave me some purpose.
     
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    90 something students at my nephew's high school just tested positive. Someone held a back to school party, which was an awesome idea, and of course everyone got it there, and then they took it to school with them where they shared the love.

    I'm beginning to think my prediction of Texas schools closing in one month was optimistic. Might not even make it through the first two weeks.
     
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    It's like people are having a contest to see who can pull the dumbest stunt during a pandemic.

    In other news Idiocracy will be on HBO in a bit. It's like a documentary at this point.
     
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    one of the really popular teachers at that school just quit due to COVID concerns, after that big group of kids popped positive, and now everyone is surprised.

    Well, don't be dumb shits.
     
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    In case you are wondering about effectiveness of mask types.: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083
    Bandanas are about useless. Fleece are worse than useless because the fabric helps disperse the droplets.
    N95 are best, 3 layer surgical masks are right behind them. Homemade cotton masks are pretty good too.

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    Another study I read suggests that 2 layers with different types of material perform extra well. I have a 2 layer cloth mask open unsewn on one side for a pocket, and have a couple coffee filters in there. I can change out the filters and wash the mask.
     
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    Tuberculosis kills an average of one million people a year.

    TB has a higher mortality rate and is just as infectious (some sources saying more infectious) than Covid. There’s also a cure for it.

    Why aren’t we taking a proactive stance and saving more lives? Easy, we don’t care about poor people. We care about shaming others for not wearing a mask and taking the “moral high ground”. We also haven’t politicized TB.

    Where am I wrong?
     
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    Please cite your sources, as I don't believe what you have spouted to be factual.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6911a3.htm

    TB: less than 2.7 cases per 100k people in the US last year. And there's a vaccine. The current rise is partly due to anti-vax morons not getting their kids vaccinated.


    COVID: way higher mortality rate, and no vaccine.

    https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

    It's not about taking the moral high ground, it's about doing what is best for the community and society, and listening to the actual smart people, not those who think they're smart, or do their "research" on Facebook.
     
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    And yeah, we have been... for decades.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6911a3.htm

    "Since 1989, the United States has pursued a goal of eliminating tuberculosis (TB) through a strategy of rapidly identifying and treating cases and evaluating exposed contacts to limit secondary cases resulting from recent TB transmission (1). This strategy has been highly effective in reducing U.S. TB incidence (2), but the pace of decline has significantly slowed in recent years (2.2% average annual decline during 2012–2017 compared with 6.7% during 2007–2012) (3). For this report, provisional 2019 data reported to CDC’s National Tuberculosis Surveillance System were analyzed to determine TB incidence overall and for selected subpopulations and these results were compared with those from previous years."​
     
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    My stats are worldwide, not the US. Of course there’s not a million TB deaths in the US every year.
     
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    So you are comparing TB a disease that killed 515 people in the US in 2017 and 528 in 2016 to a disease that has in the first 8 months of the year has so far killed 163,000 americans?

    Am I reading that right? You expect us to suddenly agree with you that Covid is no big deal based on that? Are you high?

    ** source on the TB numbers https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm
     
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    Interesting article, and not at all what you posted.

    Your statement:
    "Why aren’t we taking a proactive stance and saving more lives? Easy, we don’t care about poor people. We care about shaming others for not wearing a mask and taking the “moral high ground”. We also haven’t politicized TB."
    is totally irrelevant and not related.
     
  20. scotchcrotch

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    Because us approaching Covid differently than TB is unrelated?

    That an easy way to save millions, which we’re not addressing, is irrelevant?

    Both are highly infectious, deadly diseases.