Last I read number one comorbidity after age was obesity. Not a good one for Americans. Joe Rogan is the only person I hear whose says the whole take away for the country should have been losing weight and focusing on diet and exercise to strengthen the immune system.
If cancer, diabetes, heart disease, stroke, osteoarthritis, and more didn't do the trick, COVID ain't going to either.
There are lots of ways that this gets evaluated. Large scale can be statistically evaluated with the "excess mortalities" numbers that get published and were discussed earlier in the thread; if you have 30% more people dying of heart disease this year, that's statistically improbable. Those are just COVID deaths. Heart disease didn't just start randomly killing a third more people this year. On a more granular level, you can look at the research as Nett posted. People with preexisting heart conditions are particularly prone to dying from COVID-19. On an individual level, I just don't see why there's such controversy. Person leads a normal life with heart disease; person contracts Coronavirus; person has heart attack and dies. We know that Coronavirus has a significant impact on people with heart disease. I'm not sure why it should be so controversial to say this is a Coronavirus death. Yes, the person had a condition, but this happens literally all the time. People with diseases often die from other illnesses because they were more susceptible to the negative outcomes. You don't just ignore that and say, "well they were probably gonna die from their condition some day." I think it's pretty reasonable to ask: is it likely that someone leading a normal life suddenly keeled over, and that catching a communicable, potentially fatal disease with known significant affects on the heart is just a coincidence?
I spoke with my son's teacher yesterday, he will be in special ed class with only two other students. The other children will learning remotely. Lunch will be had in class. As far as I can tell, the one thing in the food supply chain that hasn't normalized is Kraft Mac and cheese. The shelves in our store are still bare.
What controversy are you referring to? I don't really care either way; I was actually curious as to how it's determined. I supposed its similar to how people have died of HIV/AIDS or any other illness where a patient becomes immunocompromised.
It's what @PIMPTRESS was talking about. A lot of the people who want to dismiss the seriousness of COVID-19 claim that the deaths are exaggerated, because really all those people were going to die from whatever comorbidity they were suffering from.
Maybe it's the hyper-"no fuck you" age or something, but yeah, I kind of read your comment as if you were saying "don't believe you, prove it"... I think it's an easy mistake to make these days, unfortunately.
There’s untold amounts of people out there who believe: A) This is all a hoax B) This is all to make Trump look bad C) It’s a way to take control of the people D) Hospitals are lying on death certificates to get federal money for Covid related deaths It’s frightening the amount of people who believe one or all of those theories and more. But that’s why the controversy. Someone sees some bat shit thing on social media and it fits their skewed world view, it must be true. This new CDC report really isn’t any great revelation, but for some reason people think that means that less than 10,000 people actually died from Covid. Don't try to explain co-morbidities to them, its a waste of time. God knows I’ve tried.
You should really take this off your list for the point you're trying to make. Government closing private businesses is exactly "C)". Other than that, we're in agreement.
I get it. I’m also super critical/skeptical of absolutely everything, because there is just so much bullshit, so take that for what it’s worth. That’s the most baffling one. It would constitute widespread Medicare fraud if that were the case.
I think you misinterpreted his comment. The government is supposed to take control in a crisis. His comment was that people believe COVID is either not severe enough or a total fiction that was invented in order to control the people.
I don't think it's not serious, and I damn sure don't think it's fake, but I DO think that a lot of the upper end of society (the government, the wealthy) will be using this to further line their pockets and snatch up property/ homes/ businesses for pennies on the dollar. What do you think is going to happen when the eviction moratorium expires? The division between the "haves" and the "have-nots" is going to get A LOT worse in the coming years.
Undoubtedly. But there's a difference between opportunistic scavenging and actually creating a fake narrative.
You're right, I did misinterpret his comment. Perhaps because I'm just not seeing the amount of non-compliance and conspiracy theorists that you guys are. I consider that a blessing, people around here are handling it appropriately.
For people who are actually not strangers (e.g. friends/family/social media acquaintances), I'm only seeing a small handful of non-compliant idiots and so far zero conspiracy theories, which I feel appreciative about. Unfortunately I'm seeing a fair amount of it in the community and some of my "extended" coworkers (i.e. not the engineers I work with on a daily basis). One fairly senior dipshit asked, in a global town hall meeting for a company with 10k+ employees and the executive leadership team present, why we were adjusting as a company just because of the "fake news coming out of New York." I've heard a lot of locals claim bullshit health exemptions, or pitch fits that they weren't allowed into places without masks.
My wife's brother and SIL threw a birthday party for their 4 year old. We thought it was going to be a small family affair outside. It was at least 50 people and my wife, daughter and I were the only ones wearing masks. My wife's SIL is a nurse practitioner in a pulmonary care unit. Shes also the most selfish person I've ever met.
I've got two people that I can think of, each on the opposite end of the spectrum. One thinks everything should still be closed because his child has asthma. The other, just one of hundreds of people that I think make up a pretty good representation of average rural folks, that thinks the government overreached entirely, though I don't think he truly believes it is a hoax. From my perspective, those are the outliers and their beliefs are not in line with huge percentages of the population. I think most people fall right in the middle.
I think I mentioned earlier in this discussion, but maybe I didn't, I used to volunteer for the local ruritans. I'd move donated furniture for the thrift store. Most of these people are over 70. They fought like hell to keep having their meetings, bingo night and keep fund raising exactly the way they had been for years. They were the last ones to give in and close up shop even though continuing would have devastated their membership. I guess they all lived a full life,t just didn't give a shit.