Adult Content Warning

This community may contain adult content that is not suitable for minors. By closing this dialog box or continuing to navigate this site, you certify that you are 18 years of age and consent to view adult content.

Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Fiveslide

    Fiveslide
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    460
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    2,619
    Lost my Dad yesterday. Not to Covid, he died alone, negative of and completely safe from Covid, less than two weeks from when we decided we wouldn't travel to see him and the rest of the family, for safety, the weekend after Thanksgiving on the way back from Alabama. That's a shitty feeling.

    This is my real Dad. He and I didn't have a relationship much of my life, but we'd grown closer over the last few years. My brother that is Covid positive right now, is his other son. I'm not as devastated as I would be if it were my mom or stepdad, parents that have been solidly in my entire life, but it hurts and I feel sorry for my brother and sister, for whom he was a solid father.

    This pandemic has stripped us of some humanity, when you make decisions based on even good science and miss your last chance with people, it sucks. It makes you not want to listen to that science and not miss another opportunity with the family you have left. Of course, if we had stopped by there after Thanksgiving we could be Covid positive along with my brother and his wife. So, what do you do?

    I guess my brainwashing is complete and my humanity beat down enough because I still don't feel like I should go see my grandparents and hug them.
     
  2. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal
    Expand Collapse
    Just call me Topher

    Reputation:
    987
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2009
    Messages:
    23,159
    Location:
    London, Ontario
    HAHAHAHA

    more poetic COVID justice, this time it’s Sacramento’s fat-fuck shitbag sheriff who thought he was smart. I guess being a stupid oppressive cocksucker can eventually have its drawbacks.

    For how much this gelatinous turd has fought police reform and protected bad cops, any sickness and suffering he receives is more than well deserved.
     
  3. Kubla Kahn

    Kubla Kahn
    Expand Collapse
    Did I just shit myself?

    Reputation:
    731
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    11,578
    Sorry for your loss.

    Dr Drew talks about this point a lot. As a large portion of deaths have been very old folks in nursing homes. The given length to live once you hit a nursing home, as opposed to non medical retirement communities, is something ridiculous like 6 months in normal times. Nursing home living is a pretty miserable experience as it is when you need medical care 24/7. At what point is the trade off of living a couple extra months or maybe a year or two worth it if you aren’t allowed to see your loved ones in that time period? The end of your existence is going to be the alone aside for the overstretched LNP inserting you catheter? He questions what these elderly wishes are as no one has really asked them. It’s a hard question and decision in our society. We already have major issues with what quality end of life should look like. We tend to want to extend no matter what even though the interventions don’t improve the quality of life just extend it. This is really an extension of that issue.

    This situation is pretty sad and unprecedented situation. Hard.
     
  4. GTE

    GTE
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    640
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    3,229
    That was the reasoning with heading back to Florida to visit my grandparents. When shit really started to go down hill, they wanted us to come down there but I told them I was concerned with getting them sick. They said they're were dying soon anyways and it was worth the risk to them to see us again. I'm sure some people would disagree with my decision but I'd do it again.

    Edit- my grandparents were never in a nursing home or the hospital. Just in their own house.

    I'm on day five since possible exposure and still no symptoms. I'm getting tested tomorrow but feeling pretty confident.
     
    #4004 GTE, Dec 7, 2020
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2020
  5. Misanthropic

    Misanthropic
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    446
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    3,494
    My mother died of COVID in a nursing home back in April. It was a very rapid fade (not eating, sleeping almost constantly and then death over 5 days). It was so quick we never had the opportunity to discuss whether she would take the risk of seeing us.

    Even if she had wanted to take that risk, would I? Would I risk possible transmission to other residents who preferred isolation? Or risk contracting it from her? Or bringing it out to my family and others? I have to admit I’m relieved I didn’t have to make those decisions.
     
  6. Kubla Kahn

    Kubla Kahn
    Expand Collapse
    Did I just shit myself?

    Reputation:
    731
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    11,578
    I get your point. You visiting taking it out to others. The point was more towards do the elderly want to risk getting it in the first place weighed against being with their loved one and their odds on how long they’d really have without it. Dr Drew brings up the point that after a certain age the odds of you making it to your next birthday drop significantly and if you are in a nursing home that goes down even more. Knowing the risk, to them or to others, would they want to spend what in all odds might be their last holidays anyway locked away from thier loved ones? In nursing homes that in normal years are disgracefully run. He brings up advanced direction for himself and not intervening in medical treatments after the age of 75 that would put him in a nursing home otherwise. I’m pretty sure he’s quoted the same Dr downanddirty suggested here a while back. Living quality time in your final years instead of staying alive at all cost. Our culture is weird about end of life decision and Covid is another sticky hard question thrown into that.
     
  7. Fiveslide

    Fiveslide
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    460
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    2,619
    My Dad wasn't in a nursing home either. He was a slower, weaker version of his old self, but his death wasn't expected even though he was mid-70s. Until the pandemic hit, he was an Uber driver, just for something to do during retirement.
     
  8. downndirty

    downndirty
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    503
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Messages:
    4,618
    My grandmother was just placed in an assisted living facility, after a stroke.

    Its driving my mom insane, because she can't be around her, and she never wanted my grandmother to need that sort of care. However....no one else could provide that level of care, and after a few sequential strokes, she no longer is mentally there.

    We had a lot of discussion around the best case scenario is if she just...passed. It was excruciating to hear my mom talk about it, but getting that out in the open means that she can feel better about the current circumstances.

    With Covid, its actually a relief on multiple fronts, so she has someone looking out for her.
     
  9. downndirty

    downndirty
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    503
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2009
    Messages:
    4,618
    From inside the beast: hospitals are short staffed, and there are no more staff to send.

    We continue to see cases spiral up, and on the whole, this is the worst case scenario on preventing the spread...strong opposition, little will, and fatigue.

    This is getting exponentially worse, and the death rates are climbing, indicating an issue with care provision.
     
  10. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    843
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,153
    Yeah but think of all the doctors who have added "and intubating like a god damn pro" to their list of skills, despite being gynecologists, or radiologists, or whathaveyou.
     
  11. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,452
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,970
    Location:
    Boston
    Meh. What else is involved in gynecology besides giving each snatch the old sniff test?
     
  12. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    843
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,153
    Just think about the fact that your proctologist can now get a tube inserted into you in two seconds flat.
     
  13. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,452
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,970
    Location:
    Boston
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
     
  14. Flat_Rate

    Flat_Rate
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    133
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,497
  15. Flat_Rate

    Flat_Rate
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    133
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,497
    Eh while technically maybe a crime, from what I’ve read the username and password is the same for all authorized users, so it’s still fucked and a horrible look for the state of Florida.
     
  16. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    3,022
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,963
    Exactly. She may justify it as some sort of "whistleblower" or "for the greater good" act, but she probably broke the law to get the data.
     
  17. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    843
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,153
    She didn't use the access to steal data, she used the access to send a message to other government officials. The message was:

    "It's time to speak up before another 17,000 people are dead. You know this is wrong. You don't have to be part of this. Be a hero. Speak out before it's too late."
     
  18. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    3,022
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,963
    Well there ya go.

    Health care systems are subject to some of the most strict privacy and security regulation around... so if she did that, she should totally expect some sort of a legal reaction.

    Of course, that reaction was a huge overreaction that was definitely out to make a point, but she did some seriously bad shit even if she did "just" send a message.

    That being said, I'm 100% supportive of her cause, which is to get real info out to the people and not bury it behind political bullshit, but to do that and not expect legal action/reaction and expecting to spend some time in court is beyond naive.
     
  19. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    843
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,153
    Technically it was a government emergency management system, not a healthcare system. Basically the equivalent of the emergency broadcast system except for intra-governmental communication instead of public-facing communication.
     
  20. Nettdata

    Nettdata
    Expand Collapse
    Mr. Toast

    Reputation:
    3,022
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    26,963
    For the Florida DOH. They do a TON of health data stuff, from prescription oversight to statewide emergency medical systems management. If you're in the system enough to broadcast an internal message, you're in a secure area.

    I have zero doubt that her message triggered an insane shitstorm of security breach reporting and response protocols well beyond any bullshit that the media is reporting.