Flu shots are different. Different kind of vaccine completely. I’d rather take whatever incredibly small chances of side effects with the well-designed and thoroughly tested vaccine, than risk it with the massive known side effects of the disease itself, of which I’m 9 weeks out from getting and still have trouble walking up a flight of stairs
Flu shots aren't bullshit, and dismissing them outright is no better than any of the other anti-vax nonsense. There is one issue in that the flu vaccine is not universal, so scientists take their best guess at the prevalent strain that year and inoculate against it. You can still get other strains of the flu. They are getting closer to a universal flu vaccine, but this causes a lot of people to dismiss the flu vaccine as ineffective. That and the fact that the common flu's symptoms are basically identical to the side effects from the vaccine, so even though the vaccine side effects are much milder, and it prevents severe infection or hospitalization, it feels easier to shrug it off as unnecessary ("if this is going to make me feel like I've got the flu, why get it?"). The emergency use approval is actually a lot more about paperwork, audit and compressed focus from the FDA than it is about scientific rigor. These vaccines were not rushed, they had excellent and statistically significant trials. My partner has her PhD in immunology and watched all 27 hours of the 3 US emergency use approval panels, and was impressed with the rigor, the data, and the populations they managed to cover within a limited time. The populations that were not covered are currently not being recommended for vaccination - hardly what you'd expect if this was some hack of a rush job. The long-term side effects of COVID look terrifying, and who cares if you have to get it every year? I'm not sure I see why those are useful arguments against getting it. It's like saying you may as well not get an oil change, you just have to do it again in 6 months anyway.
The day after my FIL was found dead was my birthday. We had dinner and cake yesterday. I had to explain to my Brother-in-law why I wasn't blowing out candles over the whole cake, possibly spraying everyone's dessert with covid. Not that it would have really mattered much, we've all been in close proximity and hugging one another for support during a difficult time. Everyone here is at least partially vaccinated, except for him and his wife. He said they wouldn't get the vaccine.
So my thinking is that we’re gonna get to a point, probably sooner rather than later at least in the US, where everyone who wants a vaccine will be eligible and can quickly receive one. And at that point, the only people left to be vaccinated will be those who don’t want to take it because they’re afraid of Bill gates or some shit. And then, once that happens, the only hosts for the virus will be those who don’t believe in the scientifically-prove solution. At the risk of being an asshole, which has never stopped me before.... will that be a bad thing? That people will see the consequences for their actions?
The problem is that's not how herd immunity works. It doesn't just infect the people who chose not to vaccinate because their tinfoil hat was too tight. There are groups which are currently not recommended to be vaccinated (under 16, I believe they are recommending against anyone who is immunosuppressed, last I knew they were recommending against pregnant women, and there are likely other niche groups), the vaccine is not 100% effective (since no vaccine is), and we don't know what the long term effects are for people who have been vaccinated and still contracted COVID, despite the fact that they will likely not be hospitalized. And the bigger, scarier issue is the more infections occur, the more strains show up, and one of those strains is likely to substantially reduce the effectiveness of the existing vaccines. If the vaccine were 100% effective, 100% of the population was able to get it, and it were effective against all the variants, your logic would be fine. Let those people deal with the consequences of their actions. But the holdouts affect other people, and the more of them there are, the larger the exposure risk is.
yeah I get that, I was just trying to find the silver lining a bit. I’m going to get a vaccine as soon as my symptoms subside and my doctor gives me the go ahead, and I cannot wait until it’s approved for my kiddos (6 and 3). it amazes me how many people have personally seen me go through all this shit, and still think a vaccine isn’t worth it.
Vaccine hasn't killed anybody. Virus has killed a half million in a year. Seems pretty easy math to me.
Shit’s getting real out here now. Over 50% of new COVID cases are kids under 22. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5974943
Some of the new variants are really bad. Also, Canadian comment sections are as full of Covidiots as ours are.
From what Ive seen it's died after the shot, not necessarily because of it. Something like two thousand out of the 20 million or so people that have gotten a vaccine. It's funny because the hardcore deniers used the same logic to downplay the Covid death numbers turn around, deny the reality that a lot of those might have been super old fogies who were going to be dead within the next few weeks anyway, and ascribe each and every one of the deaths as caused by the vaccine. OOOOOOKAY.
More at risk of injury driving to the vaccine site than from getting the vaccine itself. That’s the easy math to me
Oh I absolutely agree. That's why I said I've heard of a couple of cases that could be vaccine related and not the thousands that gets thrown around by anti-vax idiots. One that I recall died due a drastic drop in blood platelets. The vaccines have caused a drop in other patients, but not to the extent of that particular case. It's plausible that it contributed to his death.
The fact that the MSM has to go outside your city, province, state, or country to find someone who’s died of the vaccine, despite tens of millions of doses being administered, speaks volumes. Mostly that the MSM does a shit job of reporting news.
But they do a bang/up job of persuading people to click on a link and generate that sweet sweet ad revenue. So they’re doing their actual job really well. It’s like when the pandemic began and I saw a headline that said “UK teen dies 14 hours after testing positive.” I read the article and the kid was literally in the hospital currently dying of some fatal disease and was expected to die within 24 hours. He just happened to test positive for COVID. The doctor literally said the kid was going to die and the virus had no bearing on it.
It was fucking St Patrick’s day, as predicted. They all crammed bars at 9am like everything was normal, now they’re having the worst outbreaks yet. They should have closed Western and Fanshawe weeks ago.