My wife scheduled her 2nd shot for a Friday but I didn’t have the option, just had to go three weeks after Dose 1. I went through the state DHHS, she went through HyVee’s pharmacy. So mine is Wednesday afternoon. I’m pretty much assuming I’ll have the next two days off.
One of the funny things about being married to a nurse is you don’t get a lot of pampering when you’re sick ( which is fine, the “man flu” isn’t a thing in this house ). But when you’re seriously ill, they’re Florence fucking Nightingale.
Well this doesn't make me happy. I thought the vaccines kept you out of the hospital. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/health/breakthrough-infections-covid-vaccines-cdc/index.html
Really though? They lay out all the numbers and the headline is more matter of fact than a narrative inflection.
Listen the fear porn thing in the media is fucking out of control and has been fucked on a personal level in this whole mess. CNN is one of the worst offenders but this article doesnt reek of it to me as it seems to you. I rarely speak out against similar stuff in this very thread because of the politicization and tribalization of the numbers leads to pile ons that I dont feel like dealing with and this is society wide.
It clearly says 7% of those who got infected, read Kubla's quote. I think the article is pretty straight forward reporting.
Yeah, 7% of those THAT GOT INFECTED. So 5800 out of ~77,000,000 which is 0.000075%. Again... statistically irrelevant.
I keep having this discussion with people, and I'd like to share it here: There is no "vaccine debate". The vaccine works as researched, as indicated, and as described. We'll continue to see side effects, and complications because we went from testing it on 30,000 people to exposing literally millions of us to it, with all the variety in lifestyle, genetics, covid history (and variants/mutations) that entails. It is far FAR less of a risk than getting COVID, or even staying susceptible to COVID. There is no "Well, both sides have merit" here. Vaccines save lives, viruses end them. Doubt and uncertainty is the goal of misinformation. No one cares if you get the vaccine or not, but the goal of misinformation and all of this "debate" is doubt. Because if it's one vaccine, it's all vaccines...then we have shit like polio and measles...and we are weaker as a society, and trust me the breaking point for us is never as far as you think. As politicized as this whole thing has been, take a moment and consider the effect of your uncertainty, skepticism or doubt. This doubt, uncertainty and division is a great tool for delaying recovery, undoing progress and keeping us stagnant. It works fucking miraculously. From my perspective, there are very few people authoritative enough to "debate" a vaccine or it's merits, and they are outliers in terms of their career, credentials, education and experience. Everyone else is regurgitating shit that either smart people said/did or shit that dumb people said/did. The best advice I can give anyone is read what the CDC is saying, and err on the side of confidence in the hundreds of thousands of people trying to save lives, not the people sowing doubt based on unsubstantiated doubt, uncertainty or skepticism. I'm not saying the authorities will be 100% correct, I'm saying their intent is to save lives and minimize the spread of this virus, and it's a better choice to trust them than someone who's trying to shake your faith in society. The "surpressed" info, or "what they won't tell you" is 99.99% of the time complete fucking nonsense, designed, engineered and manufactured to cause doubt and uncertainty. Don't fall into this trap.
Oh FFS, I don't care what percentage of people were infected. No vaccine is 100% effective which is why we need everyone to get them. That's not going to happen. If were lucky 60% of the US population will. What concerns me is that so far 7% of breakthrough infections resulted in severe covid and over 1% of them died. That's a much worse outcome than the trials showed. Now maybe it's all been in very elderly and/or very sick patients, but we won't know that until the CDC releases more info.
True, but the vaccinated rate of severe cases isn't zero which is the claim a lot of people are making.
Which is why continued masking and social distancing will be important for quite awhile. And why vaccinating everyone possible is important. Children are currently major reservoirs for this virus.
Exactly. As I understand it, children didn't contribute to the spread very much with the "wild" strain. The variants have changed that and kids spreading it in schools and bringing it back home is very much a problem now. I'm going to remain more cautious until a majority (hopefully) have been vaccinated.
I don’t know if this is just a reading comprehension thing for me or not but I’ve taken the 90+% efficacy as media reported, I haven’t read the direct studies, as preventing ‘severe infection’ not preventing any level of infection entirely? I’m not seeing the incongruity here? 77 million vaccines and a few thousand breakthrough cases seems pretty fucking miraculous?
The initial studies indicated that the vaccines prevented 100% of severe infections (source for Moderna) (source for Pfizer). The concern is that 7% of breakthrough cases still resulting in severe disease seems higher than the initial studies indicated. However, it's really hard to tell at this point because we have no benchmark. There's some number of breakthrough cases, but we really don't know what percentage of the actual breakthrough cases that represents. The studied groups had reliable testing, but in the wild, who knows? If 5,800 represents anywhere close to the actual number of breakthrough cases, then 7% still having severe illness is much different from the studies. If the number of actual breakthrough cases is more like, say, half a percent of vaccinated people (i.e. there are more like 350k breakthrough infections, but they're not severe or totally asymptomatic - which is likely if the vaccine reduces the severity of infections - so they're going unreported), then that 396 number looks much more like the 100% effectiveness that the trials claimed.
There were no hospitalizations or deaths in all three of the US approved vaccine trials (in the group that received the vaccine). Headlines like this were everywhere: https://indianexpress.com/article/w...d-prevents-severe-covid-19-data-show-7106232/ Looks like the sample size was just to small. The vaccines have been great at lowering transmission, but they don't prevent all severe infections.
For all intents and purposes, it's not possible to tell right now if this information contradicts the studies or not. I mean yes, technically you are absolutely correct - the studies seem to have not been a large enough sample size to have seen these events. Whether it's statistically relevant or not, though, remains to be seen.