Dying is the exact opposite of waking up, but either way the idiot can’t cause harm anymore. So….. that’s a “W”. That guy thumbed his nose in the face of a virus that overwhelmingly killed fat people, and he was a disgusting fat fuck. 45 years old and looked like absolute wretched shit, if COVID didn’t kill him his lifestyle would have.
That story turned out to be a MAJOR misleading telling of what actually happened. In other news, if people who were not actually vaccinated kept following the mask rules we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are now. Not surprising, the honor system is a complete joke. I also find it hysterical that Tucker Max is an anti-vaxxer now. He has no problems peddling MDMA therapy, but a vaccine, nah dawg, no need for that. At this point, it's more disappointing then anything. I had a friend who died in high school because she was diagnosed with leukemia, a very treatable version of it, but instead of taking their daughter to an actual doctor, her parents took her to a Christian natural doctor who basically prescribed her the power of Christ to get over her disease. She was eventually taken away from her parents and placed in a hospital, but by then she was too far gone to actually help. Instead of actually admitting they fucked up, they just passed it off as "God's Plan" and moved on with their lives. I get the exact same vibes from everyone who isn't getting vaxxed, isn't wearing masks, and ending up in the hospital with COVID.
I'm not surprised. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, even when there's no justification for it. If someone smart says something, he'll naturally question it because he hasn't come to the same conclusion himself yet. Or he goes contrarian just because. At this point I'm hoping that all the anti-vaxxers just fucking die off so we can carry on with life already.
Do you have a link? I'm finding local and national stories saying the same thing, but nothing refuting it.
If you read all the articles about the story, it basically says the migrants are being quarantined in some of the border towns and a lot of them have COVID. They are not just "released" into the public, they are mostly being kept in a few different facilities before they are either being shipped back over the border or allowed to leave after they pass quarantine. This process is no different then what's been going on since the start of COVID, the only difference is the numbers have grown as the border towns are starting to us funds to vaccinate people crossing the border.
I think there’s two forces at play. His wife is a nurse practitioner, and it looks like she doesn’t believe the vaccines are currently safe. His personal beef appears to be about governments mandating forced vaccines and passports and every other kind of control, which I personally also have a problem with. The problem with this debate is that it’s so polarized you can’t be nuanced.
I have zero problem with it in the case of a health concern like this. The science is there, period. I'm also all for companies mandating 100% vaccination before being allowed back to work. Don't want to get vaccinated? Get fired instead! I'm also for firing medical staff that don't get vaccinated. Unless, of course, there's a valid medical reason for them to not get vaccinated. But a fucking health practitioner thinking the vaccine isn't safe? Fuck off.. the science is there, and it's been proven by experts in the field. Her opinion is just that, her opinion, and it carries no fucking value to the rest of the world.
The problem is really that 99.9% of the "debate" is: Scientists: we have produced this vaccine that builds on decades of peer-reviewed research and education. We understand a lot about vaccines, how they work, and what risks they have. We have done standard, blinded clinical trails to provide evidence that it's safe. We and our loved ones are receiving this vaccine because the people most educated on it trust the vaccine. World leaders are getting this vaccine after enormous teams of people with the best information in the world are deciding it is safe. The data has been published publicly and is available for review, the 8 hour FDA emergency review panel and presentation was aired publicly and is available for replay. Doubter: Well I disagree. A nurse practitioner isn't even slightly qualified to judge the science behind these vaccines. People think that, just because someone is involved in medicine, they must have a more informed opinion, but in reality their "more informed" opinion is rarely more informed enough to lend any credibility. Even most doctors aren't qualified, because they only know about the practice of medicine, not the science behind much of it, and even those with some specific research specialties would find it hard to properly judge other research specialties. If his wife had a PhD in immunology and some research experience with a specific, articulated scientific disagreement with something, fine. Otherwise she not even a tiny bit better than the suburban housewives who create Facebook groups about how chemicals are dangerous. As for the government stuff... I mean, I can understand the knee-jerk reaction that some people have to allowing more of the government into their lives. But this is public safety, which is regulated every single day. You get licensed to drive a car because it's dangerous to those around you. In the US at least, I am required to have some vaccinations to attend school, work at certain jobs, etc. Can you articulate a little more what your specific issue is with this?
One of the more interesting and nuanced stories out there about this is The Offspring. They kicked the drummer out of the band because he wouldn't get vaccinated, but he had a medical reason for it (compromised immune system, and medical advice to not get the vaccine). https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-58085459 Meanwhile, Dexter, the front man, has a PhD in molecular biology, studying the molecular dynamics of HIV and general virus/host interactions. Dude is a bit more "COVID" qualified than the usual rock band front man. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...-finishes-ph-d-thesis-on-hiv-research-193282/
Heh, he blocked me for questioning his Rush Limbaugh obituary. I think he's gone Boomer on us since fratire died off.
Just to clarify, I was illustrating what I see her beliefs are, not my own. I will say that if I have to choose between seeing a doctor or an NP in most non-emergency situations, I go with the NP every time. Your experiences may differ. I do disagree with forced vaccines, though. If it's actually effective - which it appears to be - then get the goddamned shot and don't worry about other people having it or not. Same with masks; I personally don't think the way we currently use them provides any protection, but if you want to wear one go nuts. There are a myriad of conditions that a workplace requires that they are not allowed to forcibly compel their staff to follow by using threat of termination. This is no different, and forcing people to get a shot they don't want both violates their rights and gives the governing agency far too much reach. Mandates like this mean I have to disclose medical info to my company. What if I don't want to? What if I have a disease that prohibits me from getting a vaccine, and I don't want to disclose the disease to my employer? When employers and public spaces and government agencies start collecting all your data just so you can enter the building, what do they do with it and how is it secured? I don't know, but I can bet someone is licking their chops at the thought. The only areas I'd be willing to concede mandated vaccines under threat of termination is if you have direct contact with vulnerable populations (ie medical staff who work with the elderly). The pandemic sucks, but so has every other pandemic humanity has ever lived through. If you want to gamble with your health, IMO you have that right. We still give you medical care if you smoke or drink or weigh 500lbs. If you don't want to risk it, get the vaccine and move on. But it shouldn't be some kind of social badge that creates the cans and the cannots.
That doesn't work. In order for the shot to be effective, you have to hit critical mass. The US is not there yet. Therefore it will fuck everything up and we'll start all over with a new variant. This is a case where if most people don't do it, it has an impact on all people. So yeah, I say force it. Fuck those that "feel" bad about it. I don't give a fuck about their feelings... I give a fuck about our society, and the safety of me and my family.
Never mind the fact that a ton of health care people are quitting right now, as they've had enough. 99% of the cases that are suffocating the health care system are due to unvaccinated morons. They are fucking things up for the rest of us, with things like health care, because "mah freedums!". Fuck them. I've had enough. We've all had enough. And loud, stupid people are fucking it all up.
I would say that a sprain or rash or cough is slightly different than getting vaccination advice. As Binary said, most docs are not qualified to render an opinion, never mind NPs. No fucking way would I take an NP's advice on this stuff, and they should be smart enough to not give it. If they are, then that's a red flag to me.
I don't think we get to pick an option where we ever get away from this. There's a segment of the population - particularly in America - that wouldn't take a government mandated anything even if you put a gun to their heads. If it was a dozen people, who cares. I'm talking like 10-ish percent of the population, which would be around Canada's population. So regardless of what the law or the press says, those people will absolutely do what you're suggesting. They're not going to get a shot. They're going to have outbreaks. It's going to create variants and this will be an unending thing. That part of it (IMO) isn't up for debate. It WILL happen. What we can do is not allow our civil liberties to erode, even though the world is fraught with dangers and people can make stupid choices that have an impact on the group. I also care about society, but I see protecting the individual rights as the keystone, because if you think there's some way you're going to force the entire population all over the globe to get something that 10-20% of them don't want, let me remind you of prohibition or prostitution or any other public health issue that we haven't been able to legislate away. I see it as having two choices: we can have a world where there's a deadly disease that could infect you and there may or may not be effective treatments and you have freedom of movement with minimal intervention from the government or your employer. OR, you can live in a world where a deadly disease could infect you and there may or may not be an effective treatment and you need to wear a wristband or carry a cell phone with a code and you get scanned and tracked everywhere that you go, and the government or your employer can decide on a whim if it's good enough. I guess I don't share your optimism that we can make this disease go away, either through vaccination or legislation. Like, that isn't even an option we should consider because enough people just won't do it.
Faulty premise. You are asserting that there "may or may not be an effective treatment". This is wrong. We have a HIGHLY effective treatment. That is the science.
I echo this sentiment. I just don't think there's anything that can be done to meaningfully reduce the amount of people who refuse the vaccine because of reasons. You can make it so they can't enter certain spaces; then you'll get a market that only allows non-vaccinated people into their space. You can make them unemployed; now you have unvaccinated unemployed people who on top of this mess now face housing and food scarcity. If I genuinely believe that the vaccine will render me infertile and stop my heart, and the government then passes a law that lets my employer fire me because of this choice, I'm not going to come around to their way of thinking. I'll likely be angrier and do even dumber shit. Again, I think this comes down to us fundamentally disagreeing on how much we can actually move the needle with anti-vaxxers, regardless of the threat.
Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest the vaccine may or may not be effective. I meant that sentence to read as, "the treatments we have may be rendered obsolete by the variants, so at any given time we might not have an effective tool." The current vaccines are unquestionably dropping the rates and effective. That may or may not be so in the future.
I think that at the least we can hold public leaders and MSM accountable for spreading bullshit anti-vax messages. Anyone in a position of authority, remove them. Fire them. Publicly ridicule them. The biggest problem right now is that this has become a political debate, not a scientific one. I refuse to just give up and not do anything and let stupid win.