Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

It's almost like it was predictable.

 

Some companies are a lot more forward looking that you'd expect. The Japanese government has also asked companies under "Stage 4" to allow their people to take time off if they can't work from home.

 

It's disingenuous how you're presenting numbers here.

Canada sits at a 82.12% partially vaccinated of eligible population right now. (So Binary will relax, source: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/ ).

We presently have 72.99% of eligible people fully vaxxed. One dose of the major vaccines gives somewhere between 70-92% efficacy (again, source: https://globalnews.ca/news/7748752/how-effective-single-dose-covid-19-vaccine/).

So to say we're only at 65% isn't describing what's actually happening. Further, if 82% are partially vaxxed, it stands to reason that the difference between partial and fully (roughly 10%) is people waiting to for their second shot appointment. And before anyone yells something like, "You can walk into a pharmacy and get it!" Sure, yes you can. But maybe (like me) it's a fucking bitch to get a chunk of time in the day and you prefer to schedule it weeks out. Or maybe, since you've already had Pfizer, you won't allow them to mix vaccines on you and the local clinic only has AstraZeneca. Whatever. Let's agree that the remaining 10% of people are highly likely to get vaccinated and give them a few weeks to get caught up.

So, using your math, and given that we have a safe bet in saying that 82.12% are at least partially inoculated and will soon be fully inoculated, we really only have 2.83% of the population that's the target of your wrath. Spread that across the second largest country in the world, and the population density of the unvaccinated isn't at the pearl-clutching level. Let's say, for argument, that you will never have all the people of a large group fully buy into anything. 2.83% who aren't towing your line isn't that bad, in the grand scheme of things.

This, right here, is the heart of the problem I have. A large chunk of people are now blaming the population for this. You think that there's a set of rules you can follow that will guarantee a safe outcome, and the process of turning people who refuse a medical procedure into unclean "others" who are "holding us all back" is a HUGE problem. Can we think of another time in history where this happened and it turned out badly?

The pandemic sucks. There's no choice you can make where people won't die. If you look closely, though, the message has moved from "we have to try and not overwhelm the health system," to "if you do what we tell you, we will let you get back to normal." And the goalposts keep shifting as to what the end target will be that we all have to hit. We're already at the vaccine level discussed in early summer where the government said they would start easing restrictions. Notice how no one has even come out with a PLAN or an outline for things like losing the masks or allowing stores to be at full capacity?

Agreed, it's a small percentage. The vast majority of the unvaccinated population are: ineligible (too young), have already had COVID and don't feel the need to get a vaccine (can't blame them there), have a health problem or had a bad reaction to the first shot, and refusing for personal reasons. This will wind up representing roughly 15% of the total, which I think is a fair cap for how much we could expect to get out of a population of this size and variety.

It's not, though. Where is your goalpost for "we can go back to normal"? Is it when COVID is eradicated? Because congratulations, that will never happen. By saying "when it's all gone," what you're essentially suggesting is that we live with some degree of masks, social distancing, threat of lockdown and lockdown forever.

Is it when we are at X percent of fully vaccinated? Because using your own target of 85%, we're damned near there already. And yet, we see an uptick in cases.

Is it when they stop seeing cases in hospitals? Again, I don't think that happens. What's the threshold you activate the response at? And how many years are you willing to live like this, once the vaccines have penetrated as far as they can and we're still left with it?

I think COVID has exposed the problems with the medical field and heightened issues that were already present. That we're almost through the second year of this and going into the third, and the healthcare system hasn't effectively fixed their problems, is a horrible fucking indictment on this system. There is too much unnecessary middle and upper management and not enough help or money at the ground level. They're not managing the school system well as it pertains to training new staff, and most hospitals have a terrible indoctrination program for new staff. Nurses walk in and quit within a week when they are exposed to the environment. So, yeah, COVID has placed an additional burden on the system, but this is a marathon - not a sprint - and that we are still talking shitty band-aid solutions instead of fixing the institutional problems enrages me.

I don't want to ruin your day, but there's going to be a fourth wave. And a fifth. And sixth. This is not going away. Again...when we hit the magic 85% vaccinated rate (or maybe we even get to 90!) and the outbreaks still happen, how long are you willing to let the government force this shit on us?

Yes, all the parents desperate for their kids to finally have some structured learning, some peer-to-peer in-person interaction and perhaps just maybe have their lives go back to a predictable rhythm where they can go back to working regular hours and earning proper incomes again all hate their kids. Totally what's happening. Good call, glad to see where you're head's at.

You mean the vaccine works and by not taking it you're risking your life and the lives of other unvaccinated people?!

No one likes my idea of a single area hospital with limited beds that serves COVID patients and if you wait, you wait but at this stage, if you're not vaccinated, you pays your money you takes your chances.

Again, the virtue signalling. Vaccines are a personal choice, like other medical procedures. Even stupid actions, like smoking or heroin or weighing 500lbs, are personal choices. If 99% of people hospitalized from COVID are unvaxxed, then they've made their (stupid) choice.

But I'm repeating myself at this point.

 

I actually support this decision. Or, like I said prior, have one area hospital that accepts the patients. And charge them for care.

 

This is such a well-reasoned and structured argument. Well done to you, sir. Looking at actual numbers put out by the government, choosing your own math instead, then dismissing the opposing side as psychopathic. *chef's kiss*

 

I can't help myself...

So when you get your third shot, will all the people who only have two shots not count as fully vaxxed?

 

My nephew has covid and his brother and my sister are suspected to have it. Considering my sister's attitude about all this, I was certain they'd catch it with this delta variant running rampant.

 

It goes towards the whole state of how this is being handled, and society as a whole, dismissive venom, acrimony, and so on. This is the slippery slope you get when it starts with actual retards but filters down to people who are at least trying to argue in good faith. All the articles I’ve read the experts and public health officials have been saying the venom and hate directed at the hold outs isn’t going to do anything but entrench them further. You get more flies with honey and so on and will ultimately work against the goals. I don’t hold out hope this gets solved amicably as a society as bad as things have been going.

 

Don’t be surprised when the stick doesn’t get you what you want. All I’m saying.

 

Wow. With all these perks, I really should have held out on getting vaccinated. /s