Oh, I have no doubt there's isolated areas of quarantine for weeks at a time. Has there been a historical precedent where we put the entire world on pause, including not allowing fraternization amongst family members, for almost two years? I think the first lockdown was enormously successful because everyone can withstand staying home for two or three weeks for the greater good. The degree that we've locked down society here, I think, is excessive from anything we've done in the past.
It’s only being excessive because morons aren’t doing their part so it’s not being as effective as it should be.
It should come as no surprise that in the age of air travel where you can visit many countries in a single day that with a disease that is highly infectious would require more wide ranging measures to try and contain it. It should also be noted that covid is infectious in many cases prior to exhibiting symptoms (a key difference between this and SARS which while not easy to contain was able to be contained in end due to it showing symptoms around the same time it became infectious) Also are you really surprised our tactics have changed a bit since we discovered things like germs, viruses, vaccines, etc. Hell you are referencing a time before washing your hands to control the spread of infection was considered a good idea. Not sure I want to take every tactic they tried as the best path forward right now. At least we aren't talking about rubbing crusty scabs off of cowpox pustules into an open wound to inoculate ourselves against small pox which was mandatory for soldiers during the US civil war. (it also required booster shots since the protection waned over time. ) https://www.civilwarmed.org/surgeons-call/small_pox/ I would also recommend reading up on the 1918 pandemic. The similarities are uncanny. Lots of the same arguments that you hear parroted today. ( which had been debunked in the ensuing 100 years. From the Wiki for a quick starter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Public_health_management
There is also a difference between having COVID and being vaccinated and not being vaccinated. The problems right now is that 99% of the COVID hospitalizations, in the ICU, are non-vaccinated people. Those that have been vaccinated are much easier to treat. It's the unvaccinated that are causing the problems with the health care system, full stop. If everyone were vaccinated, then we'd have no issues, full stop. Our current health care system would be able to keep up. The other thing worth mentioning is that they are still working on vaccines for COVID. Now that they know so much more about it, and have the initial vaccines to work from, they are working on a more effective and longer lasting vaccine that also works with the variants. We are not resigned to getting shots every 6 months... the current vaccine is not the only one we'll ever have. But that being said, yeah, the next few years will be tougher than normal. People fighting the health efforts due to some governmental conspiracy theories are only making it worse, and killing people.
the funny part of all this is, that if every moron just shut up and stopped acting stupid, there wouldn't be all these issues with hospitals being overcrowded, lockdowns still happening and being "excessive," supply chains fucked up everywhere. We have the solution, and it's a fucking shot. If everyone just used common sense and did what they were supposed to, none of this would still be an ongoing issue. We live in a society filled with people who would rather shoot their nose off to spite their face, then question if the bullet had ulterior motives.
I don't even think it's that. I think the vast majority of the unvaccinated either think it's fake, some politically contrived bullshit, or that they're soo fucking special that nothing would happen to them. It is absolutely maddening, and they fully deserve what they get. The even more maddening part are from the "sheep" that are doing their part, helping society, and yet are likely to get fucked over by those that are being the selfish fucktards. I honestly believe that the "nice, docile" people are reaching their limits, and they are getting sick and tired of tolerating the fucktards, and something is going to blow. That's why so many people do NOT give a fuck what the "mah freedom" types think. Best reply I've seen to a confrontation: "you're wearing a mask? what are you afraid of?" "this conversation"
Dcc001 made a really good point about all of this vaccine issue: Even if the US, Canada, UK, etc. get EVERYONE vaccinated, the rest of the world is not making nearly as much effort. Remember in the climate change thread, where I voiced my "asshole American" attitude, and said that "if all the other major nations in the world aren't going to make an effort to reduce carbon emissions, then I'm not getting rid of my V8 cars*"? I think it's kind of the same thing here. Even if we're sticking babies in the womb, then someone from ________ country with the newest variant shows up, then what? Lockdown again? Masks for life? You know what else keeps running through my mind? This virus has about a 1% fatality rate, right? So one variant sweeps through and kills 1% of the population. A few months later, there's another variant that sweeps through. Another 1% gone. Then a few months later, there's ANOTHER variant, and... Well I think you see where I'm going with this. #weallgottagosometime *not my exact quote, but you get the idea. And I am NEVER getting rid of any of my V8 powered vehicles.
I don’t know if I’m “docile” or even “nice,” but I can tell you that the actions my son’s cunt of a daycare teacher has pushed me to the edge. I no longer feel any sympathy or regard for these people. Edit: Maybe the second part went too far.
Ironic that you say that as I have a decent number of anti vax "friends" on social media and they're saying the same thing but from the other side. "Enough is enough. They keep pushing us, they're not gonna like when we push back" etc
The second part went too far? Nah man I'm with you on it. I have no sympathy or empathy for them, including the ones in my own family. Oh, you refused to get vaccinated because you believed it was a hoax, and when you went into labor they found out you had covid and now your husband can't see the birth of your first child? Too bad so sad, go fuck yourself. Hope you didn't give the poor child covid as well. I also agree with nett that those of us following the rules, doing everything we can, and still getting fucked over, are reaching our limits, and that something will blow. I don't know what that is, I don't know when it will happen or how, but you can only push people so far before they get tired of arguing with idiots and decide to just say "fuck it I'll go to prison for this."
people keep focusing on the fatality rate and ignore the people who survive it but still have long term, potentially permanent issues. The more I've started trying to run again (thanks, fucking leg) the more I realize covid might have done something permanent to my lungs, despite the xrays and CT scans being clear. If it's my time to go, it's my time to go. I accepted that a decade and a half ago with my brain tumor. That being said, I'm also going to take every reasonable measure to protect my life, and especially to ensure the quality of my life. Long term health issues on a grand scale, to me, is a fate potentially worse than death. By way of example, I know a lot of people who have died from this. I know even more, conservatively I'd say 2-3 times as many, who are permanently on oxygen due to complications. Yes, I know, fat south Texans jokes and all. But what percentage of people who get it do you think have those long term issues? Current estimates are hard to find, but it's not great. I cannot believe that a few generations the way to serve our country was by going off to war and risking our lives. Now we're just asking people to get a fucking shot, and they're like "nah, I'll pass. I did my own research."
chances are whatever you thought, doesn't come close to what I'd like to do to these shitheads who won't get jabbed so we can all get back to normal. I'm at my wit's end, and given that our schools are still bearing the burden of having to deal with this fake "I have a choice" shit, it makes me even more pissed off. No, you shouldn't have a choice. You get the shot so we can all get on with life, or you stay the fuck at home and stop clogging up our healthcare system and ruining everything because freedumbs. Eventually, I'm sure we will reach the point where that choice is no longer, and people are de-facto forced, due to a required proof of vaccination to do literally everything, because apparently selfish assholes are the reason we can't have nice things.
I sympathize with the rules being changed after the operation was set up scheduled, that's a bum deal. But, not getting the shot for "religious reasons" or "too many unknowns", well you'd better get to praying then. I agree with the hospital as far as not putting good organs in bad bodies. https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/10/05/uchealth-kidney-transplant-covid-vaccine/
Yeah, that is a bum deal and I think that’s a bit unfair of the hospital in this regard. Transplant decisions based on the overall health of the recipient are made as part of the process. But yeah, to be previously cleared for it and then be suddenly denied based on a post-facto policy change is kind of shitty.
they’re risking the health of every doctor involved in that procedure though. And sure, they can sign a waiver, but if/when something goes wrong, you know they’re file suit. Plus, when something goes wrong, and it will, they’ll take up valuable resources to MAYBE fix a problem that didn’t need to happen if they just got the shot. Which would be an easy solution.