Forget Pluto, I want to hear more about this slow thicc boi 10 times the size of Earth with an orbital period longer than recorded human history.
This is from a Florida school. Holy fuck there is some ingrained stupid down there. https://news.yahoo.com/florida-school-says-students-vaxxed-181722021.html
So who is it that we're looking to censor? If this thread, as an example, is fine because we're all just random people talking...who is it that we're angry at because their uneducated opinions matter too much? You misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting, in my example, that I don't trust my GP (well, I don't trust the Canadian healthcare system as a whole, but that's beside the point here). I illustrated the example of my dad and his GP/cardiologist because, according to the logic people are using on this thread, the only people who should have an opinion that affects your decision making and behaviour are the niche experts who develop or test the drugs. It's been pointed out NUMEROUS times here that nurse practitioners, doctors and even specialists have so little knowledge that they can't even comprehend the studies. By that logic, you should take none of the opinions of a general doctor to heart for how you decide vaccinations. Unless that doctor agrees with whatever the current government mandate is, then follow their word to the letter. I'm being a bit punchy, but can you see the inconsistency with that logic? And why saying something like, "A nurse practitioner is one step removed from an old wives tale," or, "most medical doctors aren't even trained to read reports" doesn't aid the pro-Covid vax argument? It just undermines everyone's credibility. And, again, it's inconsistent in another manner because - as I've said previously - there ARE virologists who question the efficacy of the vaccine and its long-term safety, and they are silenced and dismissed. When, six months later, they're shown to have been correct in one of their arguments...crickets. At this stage I'm a broken record, but the best cure for bad ideas or incorrect science is to expose it to daylight and point out all of its flaws. I'd really love to see a high-level debate between a person in the medical community with questions about the vaccine vs. a person in the medical community who stands by the government message. The only way you can find the holes in your own logic is to bang up against someone who disagrees with you and can challenge your opinion. We are agreed for the most part on this point. My concern is the last bit: it's one of several countermeasures. Is the plan to get booster shots ever six months and maintain masks/social distancing forever? Because if it is, I'm out. I'll take my risk with the virus and decide for myself whatever reasonable precautions are warranted. Yes, we have. If we wanted to implement the Covid vaccines the way we've done it with every other vaccine, I'd be all for it. I've never had my vaccine paperwork checked, except when I traveled (and I think then it was only Australia that did), and there were straightforward ways to opt out. Also, given how this appears to be playing out...I think they might do well to pivot and start referring to it as something other than a vaccine; it's way more similar to a flu shot. I've never had to get a polio booster shot, and I've never heard of anyone who got a mild case of polio after they were vaccinated. This is a different virus, with a different technology, and since you can still catch and transmit the disease while 'vaccinated,' and the efficacy wanes by some ungodly high number after six months, it's not behaving how the general public understands a typical vaccine. Had it been a "one and done" shot, or something that required a refresh after 10 or 15 years, you'd see less push-back. Dropping effectiveness by 30% after three months is a bombshell. You're probably being a bit facetious here, but this sentiment is one of the reasons I push back. Imagine that they suddenly made you king or emperor tomorrow. *POOF* you're in charge and you can mandate anything you want. Now, you don't have magical powers, but you can issue any law or countermeasure you like without consensus or needing a vote from anyone else. You issue a bunch of rules like what we already have: need to be vaccinated to enter public life, need a federal-level way to track, need to enforce, etc. And you stand back and look at the numbers and...15% of eligible adults still don't listen. In Canada, that's 2.4 million people. In the US, it's 22.6 million. What do you do with those people? Is it okay for them all to be jobless? Does that help the economy or the social structure? What do you do if they group together and resist? What kind of black market does that create? Since you can't pick a magic solution where they all up and change their mind...how draconian do you get to force them? What's the plan for removing those draconian measures once you do? Let's say you implement a police state with forced vaccines for five years...does it ever go away, given that you're right next door to Mexico (who aren't even close to that level of vaccinated) and the border is porous? I agree that the shot is the best countermeasure that we have right now, and I have no doubt they'll continue to refine it. I care very much that we aren't left with a system that's either divided or oppressive while in the process of fighting this disease.
Old news. That’s the same place run by that horrific looking anti-vaccine whore that looks like a “Splitting Image” puppet. The building looks like Epstein’s pedo temple crossed with a Soviet-era parking garage. You would have to be a giant fucking idiot to even send your kid to that retard realm in the first place.
I think this is part of the problem. We're so used to politics, where things get debated endlessly and never solved, that the scientific way seems foreign to us: they had the debate, they gathered as much data as they needed, and then the debate was settled. These debates you're referring to happen, but they happen at a very high level, and only for so long as they're useful. Once the data comes in and all hypotheses are accounted for, then there isn't much more to discuss until and unless new and surprising data arises or some breakthrough new interpretation is found. A thousand new, and less informed, individuals asking "but have you considered {thing that was definitely already considered}?" isn't a useful exercise for anyone, and putting it on TV is definitely not useful.
That may be part of it, but how many drugs - just in our lifetime - that were FDA approved and passed all the rigorous testing later turned out to be exceptionally harmful with their unintended side effects, to the degree that lawsuits and settlements were sought? The answer is, "a lot," and given that big Pharma has a storied history of this, and that they're indemnified with this particular treatment, the fact that we are also saying, "No debate, we've done our testing and we know best," is not deeply comforting.
Yes, but those changes only came when someone brought new data to the table. None of those dangers were discovered by some talking head on the news babbling "but what if I don't want to?"
True, but, as I said...we're not letting any scientists with dissenting opinions be heard right now, either. When I think about the money and grants and profit that are now tied to Covid...I would imagine that the incentive to stop the gravy train is low. In that regard, it's not that different from the early days of the War on Terror. Was it all ill-advised in retrospect? Yes. Could you speak out about it at the time? No, you couldn't. *Again, lest you think I'm tinfoil-hatting this...Covid is real, the inoculations are effective and the side effects are low. But no one has a crystal ball, and there's just so much money at stake.
They are being heard, they're just being heard in the appropriate forums which is within the scientific and medical community. Research is ongoing and some of our recommendations have changed as a result of that research. It was some "downer" who found out that vaccine effectiveness is waning faster than we hoped, and as a result we're now considering and/or recommending boosters. This research is happening, it's just not productive to release hypotheses to the public before they've been confirmed, because of just how ass-fuck stupid the public is.
Tracking report from England that's following the variants and their hospitalization/death rates: https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1018547/Technical_Briefing_23_21_09_16.pdf Pages 19-20 break it down into chart form, by age and vaccine status. Page 34 gives a chart on vaccination efficacy. I'd be interested in the methodology for determining that, because if the data compiled here is accurate, it looks like 56% of all people infected with the Delta variant were vaccinated to some degree. The 31% death rate of fully vaccinated people is also disappointing. It again seems to show that the overwhelming majority of death is for people over 50. What I can't find reference of is how far out these people were from their second shot. If it's greater than, say, five or six months then it makes sense because that would jive with the effectiveness dropping significantly over time. An Irish report has more extreme numbers, albeit a smaller sample size: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory...eeklyreports/Death and Vaccination Report.pdf 42% of the deaths covered here were fully vaccinated. More interesting is that the median age was 82 years old and over 62% had other underlying health conditions.
The general health angle was completely ignored in the messaging and we missed probably the only time we could ever have this big an audience listen. Pretty apparent looking at the Herman Caine awards there are a lot of people who have a very inflated sense of their health. Outside of pegging insurance rates to body fat percentage we aren’t going to have a real world way to get obesity under control. I’m sure even if it had been addressed the entrenched sides would have politicized it and ruined that too.
People in this country who are on blood thinners will drink the melted butter at a Red Lobster straight. There's no way obesity reduction was going to happen in meaningful numbers or at a sufficient pace to affect COVID consequences. If we'd gotten in shape thirty years ago, maybe, but we didn't want to do it then either. Once the pandemic hit our "fat fuck factor" was locked in.
I lost 30lbs and lost my pre-diabetic status from May of last year until now. It's not a panacea for stopping something in the middle of an already raging pandemic but convincing everyone a drug will save your life and let you go on with your fake lobster butter drinking ways is the exact mentality that got us to the wretched state of unhealth our country is in.