Holy fuck you just don't get it, do you. It's about the strain on the medical systems while they help those other than the 2% NOT die. The same medical system you shit on right now... this is trying to HELP THAT. It's not about just numbers of deaths. That's such a naive and shallow metric to use to consider this. By that logic, fuck everyone in Sarnia. Just close all the hospitals and take away all the health care... after all, it's less than 2% of the population, so it doesn't matter, right?
You're in a mood today. No, the logic should be, "Let's increase the capacity of our system to deal with a permanent amount of Covid in the population." We've had two years so far...that nurses are still working triple overtime and the medical schools haven't doubled their enrollment right now points to a criminal lack of oversight in the healthcare system as a whole. And to call anyone who disagrees with you a conspiracy theorist is telling. I'm not sitting here suggesting that the vaccines don't work, or that they inject microchips into your brain, or that the virus was caused by Microsoft so that Bill Gates could sell vaccine technology. I disagree with the overall outlook that we must continue to do what we've done for the last two years to solve the problem. I think we'd be better served to adopt policies that allow us to have a functional society with Covid in it. Yes, there's a risk with that, but there's a risk with anything.
Yeah, I am, because I get pretty fucking sick and tired of the conspiracy "mah rights" arguments and "I'm smart enough to know what's best" rhetoric all the time. It's one step away from a flash mob not wearing masks in a food court. Your logic is something that had to be done years ago. And we didn't. All of NA ignored the scientists and thought, "this will never happen, let's go buy more guns instead", and ignored the thoughts of experiencing a pandemic and the infrastructure and shit needed to handle it. To the point that we couldn't even BUY masks, or hand sanitizer. That's how fucked up it was. We cannot increase medical care capacity overnight. That is a long term fix that will take time. But what we CAN do right now, is say "hey, please wear a mask", and if it looks like a killer variant is coming in from fuck-bats-up-the-ass-then-eat-them Africa, then yeah, we'll block them from travel until we get some data that we can analyze. There IS long term strategic planning going on to address your issues. But that doesn't discount the need for immediate tactics to combat the immediate threat. "Please still wear a mask" is the short term partial mitigation. And they can't tell you what long term is going to look like, because they're still trying to figure that shit out, but all while trying to move towards an incrementally better place. And people that waste time and energy railing against it do not help.
Everything you argue has that ring of "if they are still here in 20 minutes I can mention the lizard people" so I think net is correct in his assessment.
And I'll tell you the other reason I get pissed. My sister has MS. She is immunocompromised. She still lives in a bubble out of fear until the science comes in. Odds are she's one of those 2% that would die if she got it. So take your "let them die" and shove it up your ass.... I take it a bit personally. If you'd rather see my sister die than wear a mask? Go fuck yourself.
this is how they did it in Hawaii. I thought it was a great way of doing it honestly. What I had an issue with was that the website had issues, and getting everything together and in one place to gain that QR code was like the worst game of where's waldo. And also the fact that damn near every local wanted us gone, like fucking yesterday. Even though we jumped through every hoop to show we were cool. But if they made it easy for me to register and get that QR code? I'd have zero issue with it. tl;dr: issues were in the implementation, not in the fact that it was done
FWIW, the medical systems here are in bad bad shape, the longer this shit goes on. The holiday surge is going to be rough on people who have been fighting this for 20 months straight. The system gets more fragile the longer this goes on....
I think generally, people don’t realize how horrible a collapse of even a local healthcare system would be.
Even watching the news the dire doomer reporting has tailed off. Back to the usual partisan issues. I’ve divorced myself from the subject and just had my first irl discussion on it for the first time in months. Moving on. I’m honestly not too worried of the long term societal affects regarding governments though after the war on terror I get peoples’ apprehensions to just secede swaths of power to the state. Government ultimately operates on electability and if the political winds sweep people out of power you will see a shift mighty fast. I think making the vaccine the one shot panacea was ultimately a wrong move and mandating boosters will just be a losing battle of attrition.
I don’t think government mandates have any kind of long-term viability either. It just becomes far too complicated in terms of enforcement. The courts already don’t seem to fond of it.
This isn't the flu, though. The US is averaging 400,000 deaths per year for those two years. My grandma got sent home from the ER last week with a severe bowel blockage, had to wait for a bed to open up at a hospital 4.5 hours away so she could have surgery. How many flu seasons are that bad?
The flu is not COVID. COVID is not the flu. The flu is not COVID. COVID is not the flu. The flu is not COVID. COVID is not the flu. These comparisons are misleading at best, bad faith at worst. The leading cause of death for people is a pretty strong justification....
i hear that comparison a lot around here, that the common cold is also a coronavirus, along with the flu, etc. My response is that a .22 is a bullet, but so is a 9 mm, and so is a .50 cal. You don’t wanna be shot be shot by any of them, but some, you REALLY don’t wanna get. then the usual response to that reasoned explanation is to attack me personally, because people are goddamn assholes and the pandemic has, literally, taken the mask off. But at least I feel better giving effort to help them understand it in their language!
A man accepts money to assume a person's identity, he takes the covid shot to get that person a real vaccine card and health record entry. He did it ten times in one day. https://www-newsweek-com.cdn.amppro...g-paid-take-10-covid-shots-day-others-1658434 Yep, that's a real dangerous shot if someone can get 10 in a day. Not!
It says right in that article that the side effects increase exponentially with exposure. Sure, he didn't drop dead that day, but what if his heart is destroyed six months from now? * Not advocating for doing this. What a shithead and let's hope he doesn't take severe damage from this. It's a good illustration of unintended consequences, though. Draconian measures are limited in their ability to illicit compliance. What can happen instead is black market services that are really dangerous. Now there's in excess of 10 people wandering around unvaccinated AND an eleventh who may have done serious, long-term damage to his guts. I have to think this scenario is expensive in the long-run.
This is preposterous. What actually can happen is stupid people do stupid shit, as always, and we can't always predict how stupid they'll be because most of us are not very good at thinking down at their level. This is no justification not to have vaccine mandates. .
That's so weird, just because it's totally different around here. I wear my mask in the grocery store, and the hospital, but I usually see a couple others wearing them and that's it. Some places the service people wear masks, but most everyone I see is mask free, indoors and out.