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Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. SouthernIdiot

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    When pretty much everyone has immunity from either vaccination or infection it should be pretty much the flu in terms of death/illness.
     
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    Took the kid to get tested this morning. He has symptoms, but they're pretty mild. If he is positive, the timing works out beautifully with a photo his teacher sent me of my masked child surrounded by four other unmasked kids all petting a SAR dog the police department brought to visit the school.
     
  4. Rush-O-Matic

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    lol, the Democrats running as the party of severe illness and death is not a move I saw coming. "We're all in this together. Except for you unvaccinated masses - you gone die."
     
  5. Nettdata

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    SHOCKING.

    I go for my booster this afternoon. Here's hoping it doesn't knock me on my ass, seeing as I'm on PTO right now.
     
  6. downndirty

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    Immunity when it comes to this virus is a bit of a moving target. I also kind of chuckle when the previous administration used the term as if it were the same as legal immunity, ie carte blanche.

    I think immunity is a very dangerous concept right now. Folks will happily delude themselves into thinking it's safer than it is, because of vaccines, or previous infections, or less severe strains.

    I also think the target is not "as bad as the flu", it's zero. As in, full stop, this fucker is eradicated. The reason for that is simply this is too difficult to control. Omicron might be less severe, but the next one may swing the pendulum back the other direction. I'm glad I'm not in charge of determining how drastic the measures get in order to reach that target.

    Early on, the public health guys said "if we're successful, it was because we did too much. If we fail, it's because we didn't do enough. Every counter measure is an over-reach and every death is a ball we dropped. Err on the side of the living being able to lodge complaints where ever possible."

    Yeah, that messaging isn't helping a Goddamned thing. Consequences, not vitriol. The Dems and this administration cannot seem to understand the reverse psychology at play here, and it's infuriating.
     
  7. Nettdata

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    I agree with this statement 100%.

    The fucked up part is that you guys can draw party lines around it.
     
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    I don't think there's much to understand. The psychology got baked in a long time ago. We just have a segment of the population that's going to be a drag on the rest of us no matter what.
     
  9. Juice

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    @downndirty why does the messaging around Omicron, specifically, seem so muddled and confusing?
     
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    I'm way ahead of you on cruise ships for the environmental impact alone. And sometimes the literal impact:
     
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    Getting on one before the pandemic is a bonifide health hazard. They are a bucket of shit floating on top of salt water.
     
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    I know I'm not the one you asked, by my take on it is that it's even more shades of grey right now.

    Everyone who is going to get vaccinated, has. They have to deal with a population that is generally more pissed off and sick of this shit than scared now, and they are still trying to figure out the numbers/science behind it.

    It was easier to go all-in (or even somewhat extreme) on things early on, at the start of Covid, especially when the messaging at the time was "it's the flu and shove this light up your ass and drink bleach". They knew the message they wanted to present without giving a shit about the actual numbers or science.

    In a way, I 'd say that the lack of clear messaging is that they're still trying to figure out what that messaging is.
     
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    I'm not prone to claustrophobia (that I know of), but even prior to Covid the thought of being stuck on a vessel with a bunch of other people in tiny rooms that swayed and some of the windows don't open so there's no fresh air? Pass. The thought alone makes me feel like I'm wearing a turtleneck, and that's not factoring in pathogens.
     
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    Sure, but there seems to be changing (and sometimes contradictory) messaging on the efficacy of the vaccines with regard to this specific variant. Trying to figure out the messaging is reasonable, but I can’t help thing it’s contributing to the erosion of confidence of the public. Maybe it’s an attempt to get something out by Christmas, but it’s not going well.
     
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    I know my mom is going on a cruise in February. With Viking cruises. They've got onboard labs to do testing daily, and seem to have a fairly solid approach compared to the other cruise lines. No kids, 100% vaccinated or you're not allowed. (Fakers are going to fake).

    Right now she can cancel up to 2 week before and lose $150, but her outlooks is that as long as everything seems like a mile reaction, she wants to get out and experience life again.

    We'll see how that goes.

    And I've got a cruise lined up for November, 2022, where I'm taking the family on an Antarctic cruise with National Geographic... going through Argentina. THAT should be fun... we'll see how much they get their shit together.
     
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    I think it's because people are demanding action, but they don't have the numbers, so they (over) react initially, then the numbers come in, and then they adjust. And adjusting that messaging has to be like steering a super tanker... it doesn't happen all at once, instantaneously... I expect a solid delay and eventual inconsistency depending on where the message is coming from, as it trickles down. Never mind local health boards that do their own thing.

    I'm not sure there ever has been a solid, consistent message... except during the height of lockdown, where it was an easy message... "stay at home, wear a mask."
     
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    I've been fortunate with cruises in that I've never been on one where illness has occurred. Once all this settles down, my wife and I are going to take our belated 10 year anniversary trip on a cruise up the US east coast.

    That being said, I had a co-worker who was on the infamous "poop cruise" in the gulf of mexico on carnival, where the power went out and sewage flooded the cabins. The pictures she sent me of the basically tent city on the top decks, of people trying to escape the stench and poor conditions inside, I forwarded on to CNN where they were eventually used on air.
     
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    As opposed to the clear, concise messaging this administration is so famous for....?

    I think because it's new, and they are trying to buy time for some actual fact-finding to occur. That was the mantra from HHS when Omicron emerged, and that was what...2-3 weeks ago?

    Fatigue is a major issue here, as is competing priorities. What took a month in March of 2020 can take longer because of fatigue and ongoing work that hasn't subsided. I would imagine some studies look at incident rates of medical error, and I'd be shocked if it wasn't skyrocketing...same holds true for labs, I'd wager.

    There's a few court cases that will impact the ability to enforce some shit and impose consequences, and until that authority is clearly established (and if ran all the way up to the SC, might not ever get there), they have to tread carefully. Some of the messaging can be implicated in the court cases, and that's a risk they shouldn't run.

    Also, I think there's muddled messages between Omicron as a variant of the virus, and a sort of weird branding issue of the next phase of the "plandemic hoax". You've got some places that are shutting down because cases are spiking and the difference in severity might be a game changer in terms of the counter measures. Some places are head in the sand about the whole thing, and you don't want to accidentally prove them right and expose folks to unnecessary risk.

    Lastly, I think they need to strategize. Early reports of "Omicron spreads like delta, but damages like strep throat" will cause reactions, some of which may do a lot of harm. It's not like they have planned messaging and talking points for the next 3 variants to emerge. Those strategies work best when informed by actual research, and this administration seems keen on not getting ahead of the science. That's technically a good thing, but they also can't be seen doing absolutely nothing, so they roll out a bunch of vague shit in the meantime.

    FWIW, I'm only listenign to 1-2 covid calls a day, reading the daily reports for anything eye-popping and weekly forecasts.
     
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    I guess no one here felt like posting the full statement, either. It's not nearly as hostile as it's made out to be, and the bad faith assholes crying about "think of my 4yr old who can't be vaccinated!", pretending that the intended audience, isn't so. If the shoe don't fit, don't wear it. Unless you're after those precious outrage Likes.