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Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    Call me nuts, but it honestly doesn't seem that crazy to me. If she's under 50(assuming she is with kids that age) and doesn't have diabetes a lot of reputable sources like the CDC are estimating mortality rates around 0.1%, and possibly even lower for women. That so many people aren't that adversely affected is considered part of why it spread so rapidly. She's still taking a risk, and the data isn't substantial enough to be set in stone, but between demographics and PPE her risk probably isn't that much higher than some other professions.
     
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    But the Hamptons bitch DIDN’T get away. She was already sick. Instead she took it with her, her family, and her nanny (she doesn’t have a job, so why the in the fuck does she need a nanny) and spread it the fuck around.

    She should be in prison, and I hope this ruins her life. And so should it to any of those who leave their house KNOWING that they are sick.
     
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    Does anyone have any legal expertise (ideally Canadian) as to what this looks like from a civil liberties standpoint? The speed people have handed control of everything to the state terrifies me far more than the virus.

    1. Can an officer stop you - say, at a checkpoint- and demand where you’re going and proof? And do you have to answer them?

    2. People are getting ticketed just for being outside walking. Does anyone find it alarming that immediately as all ticket revenue dropped, police implemented astronomical fines for defying state directives? I can appreciate not gathering in groups, but there is very little common sense in how this is being implemented *.

    3. Does ANY of the legislation have an expiry date? If not, and since it’s an emergency measure, why the fuck is it allowed?

    *Stores are limiting the numbers of shoppers. By having them queue up out front of the building. How is that safer than letting them shop all spread out?!

    The speed that we could turn into 1984 is fucking shocking.
     
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    I don’t know why you guys are mad at religion. Seems like this guy is fixing the pandemic for us:



    As for authoritarianism, it’s why gun purchases and background checks to get licenses are skyrocketing in the US. Even in California they’re up 85%. Never trust your government.
     
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    While I welcome floods of new gun owners who might change their mind about gun laws by physically having one and not just basing their opinions on abstract thought. I do think this wave is more about protecting themselves from each other than thinking the government is going to start overstepping their bounds and need to be checked. If you mean never trust the government to protect you and you are the only one that's going to protect 'ya fuckin' neck,' Id say that's more in lines with people are thinking at the moment.

    Interesting topic I ran across is that baring migrants totally will lead to some bad dislocations and interruptions in farming logistics. Starting with planting being majorly cut without the migrant help and harvesting in late summer and fall being a nightmare.
     
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    Well fuck. Step-father who's recovering from the cancer and pneumonia double whammy, now has a chest infection. He already was in that super vulnerable demographic, and now it just got a fuck of a lot worse. We're doing everything we can to keep him safe, no one around him, and even those family members like me who are allowed a 6 foot distance are only ones who have already quarantined for several weeks. Still, shit happens, and if he does get it and dies it's gonna suck. But with us having such a large social circle with family and work, the odds are extremely high that someone we know and love dearly will die from this at some point. I hope that isn't the case, but it's the realities of living through a pandemic.
     
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    Yeah, that’s what I meant. The police took 17 minutes to get to my house the last time I had to call 9/11, and that was under normal circumstances. Fuck that.
     
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    The most important thing keeping people civil right now are intact food supply chains. As soon as food gets scarce, thats when the guns come out.
     
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    Katrina was no joke. Neither was Harvey. My son was born when Harvey was making landfall. The hospital we were staying at was taking evacuees from your area. Half the people were freaking out, the other half was going "remember Allison?" and rolling their eyes because they had fair warning. The majority of people have no clue how close we actually are to major civil unrest at any given moment, and how dependent we are on a crumbling infrastructure.
     
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    I mean look at how people behave when a traffic light goes out at an intersection. You think people follow the 4-way stop rule? No, they blast through the intersection tailing the person in front of them so they don't have to wait their turn. And thats a small thing.
     
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    that's why I have zero faith that people will learn lessons from this and there will be carryover prevention for things like the common flu. As soon as everyone goes back to work and things return to normal, they're gonna forget how to wash their hands again and go back to sharing toilet paper memes about karen hogging it all with zero realization that they, in fact, were that karen who created the problems in the first place.
     
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    One of the big things thats really hurting hospitals right now is their lack of inventory. Obviously, its hard to prepare for something like this, but in general, hospitals try to keep their inventories low because its listed as a liability on their balance sheet and they don't get paid for the inventory until they bill the patient. But they had to pay up front for the supplies. They keep stock of certain items at higher than others. But they depend on constant shipments of things coming in all the time and not massive stockpiles. Another reason for this is expiration dates on everything. They can't have a single expired product on their shelves, no matter what it is. They can get fined by the government if they have expired paper towels. Throw in a little pandemic with a high mortality rate, and they are fucked almost immediately.

    This will create new supply chain policies for hospitals once this is all done and cleaned up.
     
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    That being said, with the current context aren’t a few of those purchases under the guise of “Never trust your neighbours?” People are starting to get more paranoid and stir-crazy already. “Posh” businesses are now boarding up in fear that the working class are going to go all Gangs Of New York on them.
     
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    I subscribe to a never trust anyone policy. Not that they don't have good intentions -- your neighbors, your government, everyone -- but in a crisis, it's every man for himself to an extent. As it should be, I don't blame them. I'm protecting me and mine first, then my immediate family, then going out from there, and I assume everyone else is the same.

    I highly doubt this is going to be a mass civil unrest kinda thing. I think it already would have reached that point if it was going to be (someone else chime in, this is just a gut feeling for me). If it is does get there, then some people are fucked. I also think some are hoping it gets to that point because they're itching to be overzealous protecting themselves.
     
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    A few years ago I biked home past an intersection where the light was out. Three lanes in each direction + turn lane for one street, two lanes each direction for the other street. Even good faith efforts to treat it like a four way stop were a massive clusterfuck; no one knew whose turn it was to go. I started seeing the traffic backed up from that intersection like a mile or more before I got to it. Lucky for me the bike lane was totally clear.
     
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    I've tried really hard to keep cop-hating-Bandit tied up, but I've got to let him out.

    I heard an interview with the local Sheriff about my county's stay-at-home order.

    He said that it's up to the OFFICER'S DISCRETION whether or not you have a legitimate reason to be out, and a fine is levied (fine of up to $1,000).

    In my experience, "officer's discretion" rarely ends up well for me, and I even have a work excuse.

    All public health issues aside, I think this is just a way to take money from the community at a time when the local economy is tanking.

    I don't know how things are in Canada, but here in Texas, not answering a cop's question is grounds for arrest.
    Try it out sometime. I have; ask me how it turned out.

    Also, not giving an answer that the cops like can get you in a bind as well.

    This whole situation is a power-hungry pig's wet dream, and like you, I'm afraid that even after the virus threat has blown over, a lot of this stuff will stay in effect.

    I can hear it now: "Even though cases have declined drastically, officials say that the stay at home order will remain in effect until a vaccine has been developed.
    In other news, a new strain of the virus may have been discovered; more on that after the break..."
     
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    Me Im getting worried about the ramp up in 'fuck it let's just start tracking cellphone data for the public good' thing going on.
     
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    Here’s some of the not-very-bright powers they’ve given all the way down to meter maids here, I am not a fan:

    https://news.ontario.ca/mcscs/en/20...hing-an-emergency-order-during-the-covid.html

    ...and with a huge drop in crime, don’t think they won’t be looking for other ways to keep profit rolling in. These are those new ways. Doug Ford has three son-in-laws that are cops, they do what they want in Ontario.
     
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