How will those people be classified? Does it depend on age? Health? Underlying conditions? If a 35 y/o healthy person who has asthma gets the virus, goes into the hospital, ventilator etc. Then yeah, the virus got him. But if a 90 year man with emphysema, lung cancer, life time smoker etc gets it, is he classified as COVID killing him?
Maybe @downndirty has a better answer, but I would think it would be like AIDS. You don't die from AIDS, you die from AIDS complications. You'd probably classify that old person with a bunch of health problems as COVID related complications. Not sure how that would be entered into stats.
I don't really know. I would assume for most folks, if you've had underlying conditions for months before, or would otherwise stand a good chance of surviving the comorbidities, it'll likely get classified as coronavirus. So, to GTE's example: if he's had emphysema, lung cancer for years, and is fine, but gets the Rona and goes down in 48 hours, it's likely attributed to Coronavirus. Also, for some of them, they are exacerbating factors, but couldn't be cause of death: you can't die of obesity, but obesity makes it harder for you to recover from Coronavirus. However, I saw firsthand how absurd some of these things can get in Puerto Rico, when trying to classify cause of death. Each state and in some cases, each jurisdiction can do things differently. I can definitely see some places not listing Coronavirus as a cause of death without a confirmed test, and that will present some challenges. Another issue with our healthcare system: if it's Coronavirus, there might be funding to pay for it, certainly funding to get it tested. If it's cancer, go fuck yourself.
I know this exposes my ignorance, but I didn't know that Hart Island, NY was a known mass gravesite. I also didn't know what the term "potter's field" meant. And now I understand the pun in "It's a Wonderful Life."
Of course. But if the lobbies are all closed in your area, just go through the drive thru, put the gun in the transfer canister, and send it over. Instant profit.
Singer/songwriter/artist/whatever Halsey bought and distributed 100k face masks and other PPE to front line workers in the California area. She also made a large donation to a support network, and has encouraged her sizeable following to do so as well. This is what people using their celebrity for positive influence looks like.
Bit of fresh air is a celebrity that realizes she's a celebrity and isn't living the same life everyone else is: Spoiler
Natalie Portman is going to wear a surgical smock with all the recent female health care workers snubbed in the press.
I see the federal government is ending funding for COVID testing sites and transferring the responsibilities to the states, if they can afford to keep them open. Nothing like flattening the curve and getting the country back online like suppressing the amount of tests you can perform and make it seem like everyone is A-OK. I'm guessing these decisions are all based on people in government not wanting to go into election season with this hanging over the country, regardless of the actual outcome.
I thought you were joking so I had to look this up. Y'all this is actually happening. What....the....fuck. this is.... there's some laws broken here right? Can they just do this without someone going to jail?
On the flip side these stories are out there as well: https://chicagocitywire.com/stories...-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/usns-comfort-javits-center-not-near-capacity-amid-coronavirus/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-pandemic-projection-models-proving-unreliable/ There is so much conflicting information out there. What is actually right? I hear Fauci saying he thinks the projections are high as well. Is this not as bad as originally thought or no?
That’s what I don’t get. Either very few people die or 3% of the population does. Why are the public taking heads varying so much?
Because the talking heads waver from understanding and not understanding that the amount of confirmed cases and how many of them result in death, versus the amount of total possible cases(confirmed and assumed) and the total death count gives totally different percentages. If you count only those who got a test and were in the hospital and how many of those people died, the percentage is very high. If you go by the total number of possible cases (asymptomatic carriers, people who presumably have it but weren't tested, and statistical inferences of total infections), the death rate is probably somewhere under 1%.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-nyt-reporter-challenging-the-coronavirus-narrative This guy was a long time NYT writer and he is really questioning this as well. The problem they are pointing to in the model is that despite the downward revisions; the model predictions for hospital beds needed, ICU beds needed, intubation, etc. are still high and off 30% from their own predictions just days later.
From a Reddit comment: https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/co...rough_covid19_test_sites_to_close_as/fmwsac7/ The plateau in new cases per day (around 30,000) seems to be limited by how many tests are performed. Simply put, if tests are limited to 150,000 with 20% positives a plateau is hit at 30,000 new cases a day. Below I've shown how this tracks with the last 10 days of US historical data on testing from https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily I calculated the postives percentage as the most recent Positive / Total Tests (423,164 / 2,195,771 = 19.3%). Date Positive Negative Total Tests New Tests New Cases New Tests x 19.3% ------ -------- --------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------- 08 Apr 423,164 1,772,607 2,195,771 141,309 30,570 27,272 07 Apr 392,594 1,661,868 2,054,462 146,105 31,263 28,198 06 Apr 361,331 1,547,026 1,908,357 146,325 29,023 28,240 05 Apr 332,308 1,429,724 1,762,032 137,685 26,553 26,573 04 Apr 305,755 1,318,592 1,624,347 227,485 33,767 43,904 03 Apr 271,988 1,124,874 1,396,862 129,114 32,889 24,919 02 Apr 239,099 1,028,649 1,267,748 117,742 28,283 22,724 01 Apr 210,816 939,190 1,150,006 101,122 26,133 19,516 31 Mar 184,683 864,201 1,048,884 104,030 24,153 20,077 30 Mar 160,530 784,324 944,854 113,503 21,469 21,906 This highlights the importance of widespread, large-scale testing. Without it: New cases appear to plateau leading to a false sense of security Deaths are undercounted due to undiagnosed cases Projection models are less accurate (garbage in garbage out) They are counting some tests that are inconclusive, I think, but...yeah, that's the issue.
Had to go mix with the general public for the first time yesterday. UTV tires were super bald and needed to pick up new ones. Short trip to the local john deere dealer, stopped by gas station for some of that sweet sweet $1.60 fuel.... apparently I'm the only one around here who is taking it remotely serious? Between there and the gas station I didn't see anyone else wearing a mask or any kind of face covering. I was the only one. Used a grocery bag to handle the gas pump, left truck door open so I could sanitize without touching doors etc. Saw other people at the pumps mingling with each other, generally not giving a fuck. Guys at the dealership complaining that they have to go to work. I joked it could be worse -- they could be in the unemployment line. They humored me with a laugh but said they'd rather stay home and do that. Are people seriously this off or was what I saw a limited experience? Also, right before I saw this I was asking my wife if she'd heard anything about how the Flint water issues are affecting this. Jumped on my computer, turned on the tv and guess what they're talking about?
I’m at the tire shop right now getting the UTV tires mounted. I’m wearing an M95 I had in the workshop. Only one here with any kind of face covering. About a half dozen people in the garage, mix of workers and customers all mingling and shooting the shit. It’s right off the highway where a bunch of ranch vehicles and people who own hunting leases go. There’s no way this place hasn’t been exposed. and there’s one dude chain smoking on the side of the building.
Kind of the same thing up here. The only real difference I see is you can't eat in a restaurant and every business has a plexiglass sneeze guard, other then that all seems normal. One of the things we do have up here is the great outdoors and recreational areas. The rec areas are packed with cars. Ninety percent of the cars are from Washington....which was kind of the ground zero state a few weeks ago. Not only are they hitting our rec areas, but also the grocery stores and cleaning them out since supplies aren't available in their state. Our little rural area with 3 cases is probably about to explode.