Front page news this morning: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...han-previously-thought/ar-BB131mhb?li=BBnb7Kz
That number is just going to grow and grow. The number of people that did the right thing, gave up what the states took, are going to start wanting it back. When all the states are doing is hanging on to it, calling out dates that they might give it back or, like a few states, just saying indefinitely. I hate the idea losing freedoms, but I know that unnecessary contact with people outside of my home is essential. So I'm doing it, staying at home. I live in Virginia, I believe the governor closed down the state longer than any other state when he announced June 10th, excepting the indefinite ones. What's your tipping point? What freedom would you have to lose to get you to stand there and demand the states give it back? For me it's not going to the hair dresser or opening the gyms back up or anything I've seen on a poorly painted sign at these protests so far. If Northam shut down recreational boating here, he and I would have a problem.
Essential utilities: Internet, water, electric, gas. I have no problem staying at home if it means less people die. But if you make impossible for me to stay home and have any semblance of a normal life..... I’m privelaged enough that the only meaningful impact on me is that I can’t go out to eat and my kids can’t see their grandparents. Outside of our planning day once every two weeks I prefer to work from home. If I lost my job I would probably have a different feeling and the tipping point would be lower.
Hydroxychloroquine study: no benefit, more deaths so yeah, don't do that. There's now a lot of doctors with stockpiles of the stuff and no use for it.
Yea see there are a handful of just as rigorous, ie not at all, that say the opposite but that doesn’t let the press get a dig at the president.
Maybe the President is being dug at because he has no medical background or training and was recklessly pushing an unproven drug to a public that also has no medical background or training, all the while the medical experts were saying "this is untested, let us test it first and do things properly."
Have a source for that? I’d imagine that as a broad spectrum treatment this drug might not be effective, but ultimately it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have clinical utility. There are a ton of variables to consider to know if it works for people- does it work for old people vs. young? At the start or symptoms vs. when it is serious? If people are in the midst of a robust immune response vs. immunocompromised, if they have elevated liver enzymes / are showing other symptoms of challenges to their organs, maybe they are worse candidates? Hard to know without more robust data- which is exactly why it’s fucking retarded to order a run on a drug before it has any data in an indication. There is going to be a lot of exciting work in pharma moving forward when we can better analyze data to figure out what products work for which people. It’s very possible that past drugs that have failed clinical trials because they were not effective enough on average could have utility for a subset of the population owing to genetics, and there will be / already is some cool stuff happening with genetic profiling in the industry.
What? While taking into consideration all the responsible and urbane health-nuts that constantly flood the city?
Bullshit. Cite your sources. I have found a dozen small studies. Several of them were indeterminate. Several had data collection issues (e.g. nonspecific results, results comparing different collection methods or numbers). Some were outright negative. A couple indicated a small improvement. Here's a summary report of several studies with links to the sources: https://www.goodrx.com/blog/coronav...oquine-as-covid19-treatment/#research-studies The study ROTN linked to was by far the largest.
Working for a casino, as I said earlier, they have indicated June 30th as a potential re-opening. This was the overwhelming consensus with all of the Vegas properties as well as many outside of Vegas. There just isn't an easy way to control for all of the variables inside a casino. There is no way a casino can open with a 50 person minimum, it's just not worth it to keep the lights on and the laws requiring games and tables to be open. Even with 500 people it was an issue where the casino wasn't getting enough traffic to warrant having all of the dealers/attendants/cashiers etc working. Not to mention the fact there are A TON of old people who visit casinos, more so then any other demographic. These people are at the most risk and they should be turned away if we are trying to keep at risk populations from mixing with low risk. Casinos are going to be the last places to open in all of this.
Old people, tight quarters, high traffic/turnover, constantly passing chips back and forth, buffet lines, escalator handrails, slot machine pull arms/buttons. They're practically designed to create a communicable disease disaster.
No, he's saying that people are using it as a bullshit reason to take a shot at Trump... the fact that he pushed so hard for something that WASN'T tested is more than enough reason to take a shot at him. Trump's stance on this whole thing has been moronic, and dangerous: Jan 8 - First CDC warning on Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Jan 9 - Trump campaign rally Jan 14 - Trump campaign rally Jan 16 - House sends impeachment articles to Senate Jan 18 - Trump golfs Jan 19 - Trump golfs Jan 20 - first case of COVID-19 in the US, Washington State. Jan 22 - “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.” Jan 28 - Trump campaign rally Jan 30 - Trump campaign rally Jan 30 - WHO declares Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/924596 Jan 31 - Trump announces China travel restrictions. Feb 1 - Trump golfs Feb 2 - Starts China travel restrictions Feb 2 - “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China." Feb 5 - Senate votes to acquit. Then takes a five-day weekend. Feb 5 - HHS Secretary Azar requested $2 billion to buy respirator masks & other supplies for the national stockpile. Trump cut request by 75% Feb 10 - Trump campaign rally Feb 11 - At a rally, Trump says the virus will 'miraculously go away' with warmer weather. Meanwhile, the white house releases fiscal budget plan which proposes large budget cuts to the CDC and NIH https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/925130 Feb 12 - Dow Jones closes at an all time high of 29,551.42 Feb 15 - Trump golfs Feb 19 - Trump campaign rally Feb 20 - Trump campaign rally Feb 21 - Trump campaign rally Feb 24 - “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” Feb 25 - “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.” Feb 25 - “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.” Feb 26 - “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” Feb 26 - “We're going very substantially down, not up.” Feb 26 - "This is a flu. This is like a flu"; "Now, you treat this like a flu"; "It's a little like the regular flu that we have flu shots for. And we'll essentially have a flu shot for this in a fairly quick manner." Feb 27 - “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” Feb 28 - “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.” Feb 28 - "The press is in Hysteria mode!" Over covid19 Feb 28 - Trump campaign rally Feb 29 - First COVID-19 death in US Mar 2 - “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?” Mar 2 - “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.” Mar 4 - “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.” Mar 5 - “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.” Mar 5 - “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!” Mar 6 - “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.” Mar 6 - “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.” Mar 6 - “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.” Mar 6 - “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.” Mar 6 -"It came out of China... we closed it down, we stopped it." Mar 7 - Trump golfs Mar 8 - Trump golfs Mar 8 - “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.” Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.” Mar 9 - “This blindsided the world.” Mar 9 - "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant. https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-democrats-working-to-inflame-the-coronavirus Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start." Mar 10 - "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away." Mar10 - Trump Addresses the Nation - closes travel to 26 countries in Europe, exempting those that contain Trump Resorts. Mar 11 - Trump corrects multiple major misstatements in his national address. https://www.salon.com/2020/03/12/of...-by-trump-during-bungled-coronavirus-address/ Mar 12 - Finally ordered N95masks Mar 13 - [Declared state of emergency] Mar 13 - " I dont take responsibility at all." Mar 14 - Young Asian-American family of 4 stabbed in TX Sam's Club by man who thinks they're responsible for COVID. Mar 15 - "It's a very contagious virus. It's incredible. But it's something we have tremendous control of." Mar 15 - 3,613 COVID-19 cases, 69 deaths Mar 17 - “This is a pandemic,” Mr. Trump told reporters. “I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.” Mar 18 - "It’s not racist at all. No. Not at all. It comes from China. That’s why. It comes from China. I want to be accurate." Mar 19 - "And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately, and that’s where the FDA has been so great. They — they’ve gone through the approval process. It’s been approved." Mar 19 - FDA "Chrloroquine has not been approved for use against COVID-19." Mar 20 - Trump says he is going to enact the Defense Production Act Mar 23 - Dow Jones closes at 18,591.93 Mar 23 - "You look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers we're talking about. That doesn't mean we're going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. So we have to do things to get our country open." Mar 25 - 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment. Mar 26 - “You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is...” Mar 27 - Activates Defense Production Act Mar 30 - Dow Jones closes at 21,917.16 Apr 1 - "Did you know I was number one on Facebook?" Apr 2 - 6.6 million Americans file for unemployment. Apr 3 - 270,062 COVID-19 cases, 6,927 deaths. Apr 4 - “Maybe we could allow special, for churches, maybe we could talk about it. Maybe we could allow them, with great separation outside, on Easter Sunday. I don’t know, it's something we should talk about,” he said. “We have to get this country open. This country was not designed to be closed...we're paying people to stay home...and they want to go to work.” Apr 5 - More then 9000 deaths in US from Covid-19. More than active service members killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Apr 6 - "I answered this 15 times. You don't have to answer." -- Trump prevents Dr Fauci from answering a question about hydroxychloroquine Apr 7 - Trump threatens to pull funding from WHO The whole Hannity interview. Just a couple snippets. https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-sean-hannity-coronavirus/index.html Apr 10 - Trump administration announces employers dont have to report corona virus cases unless you are in the health care industry. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...rump-tells-corporations-they-dont-have-record “This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it." He added: “We’re fighting – not only is it hidden, but it’s very smart. Okay? It’s invisible and it’s hidden, but it’s – it’s very smart.” Apr 11 - Trump asked White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci, “Why don’t we let this wash over the country?” Apr 13 - Trump claims absolute authority over states governors Apr 13 - "The media minimized the risk from the start." Apr 14 - Trump announces USA will stop funding WHO Claims mail in voting us fraudulent after voting by mail Tests still not available for most people.