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Coronavirus: Miles away from ordinary.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Juice, Jan 28, 2020.

  1. ODEN

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    Of course based on a study, I'm referring to what Cuomo said in the video.....

    Anyway, here is what CDC said on 21 January - https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

    If we now have known deaths from December, this could have been here even earlier than December. Raw intelligence reports, according to this article, picked up on it in November in China - https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...cted-raw-intel-hinting-public-health-n1180646 If any of this stuff is true, it could've been here already and at that point none of the informaiton appears as though it was really actionable, certainly not at a level where someone would take another person seriously if they were told to social distance.

    EDIT: Is it true they are saying that sunlight kills the virus?
     
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    I don't think it would have been actionable by the public at large at that point, but there WERE experts warning of what eventually happened, and they were ignored... the government could have started the planning and logistics around what was happening... maybe started to figure out how to get testing in place, that kind of thing, so that if/when it got to the point that "yep, it's a real thing now", they could have hit the ground running instead of tried to figure shit out at that point.

    Even now, Trump is ignoring the advice of the people that he put in (or is allowing to stay in) charge of this thing... and I think that is the problem... nobody took the "smart" people seriously.
     
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    Meanwhile In France.

     
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    I'm sure that if back in December the government had told us "There's a new highly contagious virus, so we're going to shut down the country for two weeks to mitigate the spread" every one would've thought that was a great idea and complied.
     
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    to be fair, a lot of people don't think it's a great idea right now and aren't complying
     
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    We didn't have much of a choice in March. When schools closed, what were we going to do, keep dropping the kids off? I don't see what the date has to do with compliance.
     
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    Bingo.

    If the government had shut things down in December, and possibly slowed the spread of something that at that point we hadn't heard of, the general populace would've been screeching "Fucking Trump, he shut us down for no reason."

    Instead people are now screeching "Fucking Trump, he didn't react soon enough."

    Using a pandemic as a political football just shows how collectively stupid we are.
     
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    People are actually yelling both.

    I vividly remember thinking at the beginning of this how a pandemic would be the one thing that couldn't be politicized. That death and destruction and human suffering was a universally unsettling thing, and that it would bring us closer rather than farther apart. And yet you are seeing not only further divisions within the country, but also between countries.

    I don't think that the collective "we" is stupid. But I do think there are a lot of very dumb people out there, in very powerful positions, who act very much in their own self-interest. And that absolutely fucks us. If people were ok with being a factory worker and not trying to be an expert in medicine at the same time, then that'd be ok. For some reason, it's allowed for people to look in the mirror and understand that they don't have movie star looks yet at the same time they aren't encouraged to have the same self-awareness required to accept that they might not be the most mentally sharp person out there. Everyone thinks they're a genius, that they know better than the person standing next to them, and that their opinion is fact and that's all that matters.

    The pandemic is a political football only because people are allowing it to be. If we listened to the actual experts on this, there would be no argument.
     
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    If only it were that simple.

    Wear a mask.
    Don't wear a mask.
    Well, maybe you should wear a mask.
    Wear a mask or go to jail.

    While at the same time, jails are being emptied out of child molesters and murder suspects to protect them from the virus. Because they're less of a threat to society then someone not wearing a mask. That "Experts" told us a few weeks ago not to wear.

    I'm not surprised that society as a whole has reacted in the most idiotic way possible.
     
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    Have any child molesters or murderers actually been released? The closest I've seen is a group suing Washington State to release all inmates over 50, with an underlying condition, or with less than 18 months left in their sentence, on the theory that the state has failed its due care responsibilities to protect vulnerable members of the prison population. The state is arguing against it exactly on the grounds you cited, that it doesn't take into account the severity of the crime and the public safety requirements of keeping such individuals away from the public.
     
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    I'm gonna need you to find some sources for that.

    Because everything you said seems like a fox news headline and not you know fact.

    Also tell me more about how we shouldn't blame Trump for making this worse for the entire world?
     
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    I was accosted by a stewardess flying back from Utah, telling me masks dont help and to take it off in early March. Check that timing in the news for the whole dont wear a mask thing in the news. She seemed pretty well synched with the MSM programming.

    Hell, some of the comments on this thread talked about the mask hypocrisy. Go look.
     
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    Do you think Trump reacted soon enough?
     
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    When was soon enough?
     
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    Sure seems like it was a lot longer than before he did no matter how you slice it.

    I'm glad he's up to speed now though. I have ultimate confidence in his ability to understand this problem. I hope scientists dropped what they were doing to test his theory that we should inject ourselves with disinfectant to treat the virus. He deserves our endless deference and good faith. It is just the media and the liberals with their pessimism who are making this into a problem.

    The unreasonable thing is this: it's impossible for Trump to admit a mistake and take responsibility for his shortcomings, no matter how normal they are. He repeats over and over and over that no one could have seen this coming. However, people already had. In both a general and specific sense. Smart people inside and outside of government recognized that a pandemic was a huge threat to our country for years. And then when one started to gin up, Trump ignored it. He downplayed it. He failed to understand it.

    Even by the time it was here and killing folks and his administration had taken steps to mitigate it, he didn't seem to grasp what was necessary and complained that the cure couldn't be worse than the disease.

    He gets up everyday and talks his shit and attacks the media. And his voters largely never blame him for it because to blame him is to blame themselves. Because they would have to look in the mirror and say, "holy shit I put a guy who thinks I should snort bleach to cure this in charge of a pandemic."
     
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    When though? When was the right time? Seems like he was early on China. He missed the window, didn't he?
     
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    Over 40,000 Americans are dead. The window was officially fucking missed.