You get sent back. If you're claiming political asylum, then you get housed while it gets investigated, but if it fails, then you get sent back to where you came from. For years now, we've had huge ships coming in from China with a ton of refugees on them. 95% of them have been returned to origin.
Should have held your ground. You're a US citizen, he can't force you to leave the country. That's an illegal deportation.
And this is where I break from the left as a progressive. Every other the country on the face of the earth has restrictions on immigration. But the left in the US thinks everyone should be let in with no restrictions whatsoever. It’s unsustainable and unrealistic.
In theory, they cannot deny you entry, but yes, they can force you to enter via a legal port of entry following the proper procedures. Personally, I see no issue with that... otherwise, how do they enforce entrance restrictions?
Let me clarify the situation: He demanded that I go through the INTAKE side of the border crossing, and that would require me to go into Mexico (unless I was going to cut in line and cross traffic - not a good idea at that bridge). I chose to be polite, and not cut in line and make a scene.
Yeah, I don't know man... welcome to the USA. I know I had some issues when I was sailing between the US and Canada... Border Services Canada got pissed at me a few times for not "presenting" myself and my boat appropriately when coming from US waters... but in the end, I just tried to not fuck with them or get them pissed off as much as I could. I generally found they were morons who failed out of high school who now revelled in that wee bit of power they now had "protecting" the border, and are more of a pain in the ass than a protection. Short version is: Fuck the border guards, but don't fuck with the border guards.
But y'all are NOT just letting anyone in, because they say "ASYLUM!", right? I, and many other people, feel like these illegal immigrants are getting better treatment than citizens. (wait for excuse from @Aetius in 3. 2. 1...)
They get in, but they get sent to a holding area, while shit is sorted out. If they fail the "asylum" test, they get sent back. At least in theory.
Under US law they're entitled to a hearing, and to have their asylum plea adjudicated. The problem is that we cheap out on everything, so there's a giant backlog of cases to work through. Biden's budget requested almost $200 million more to hire more judges and staff to sort through the cases faster, but like Congress is good for anything but nearly shutting down the government every time they drunkenly stumble to yet another inevitable continuing resolution.
I'm too tipsy and tired to look it up but I swear I remember reading about Ukrainians who were denied flying into the US, so they went to Mexico to cross the border and were let in. Could have been an Onion article, idk. I'm 100% for legal immigration. Some of the hardest working, most humble people I know are immigrants. Tighten the boarder and loosen the restrictions/speed up becoming a citizen. African dude across the street from my shop came over some years ago, opened his business and recently bought the property. Says he's so happy to raise his kids in the greatest county in the world. A friend of mine's* family escaped Hungary in the trunk of a car in the 80's and they now own a VERY respected European auto repair shop. I never tire of hearing stories like that. * Mine? Mines? My? Damn it, nothing looks/sounds right.
Least believable dixiebandit story ever. You’re telling me you didn’t rip down the sign at the border and act like you just wandered onto the bridge by accident?
You know I actually detest all that "pathway to citizenship" bullshit? Nothing but voter bait, the carrot at the end of the stick. Because they know it's not something they'd ever be able to just do. There's a process, plus the importance of having it play right politically. One party promises a pathway, next party blocks it off, first party promises it again, etcetera. Cut the shit, give them Resident Alien status. Green cards, the right to stay and live and pay taxes like they already do but without the Sword of Deportation hanging overhead. It's a solution that both sides can be happy with.
These holding areas are often motels located around town. In Niagara Falls, the hotels near the strip club district on Lundy’s Lane are packed with immigrants awaiting clearance.
Who thinks this? Because I think this is a bullshit strawman. There are laws around immigration. There are a variety of pathways to gain temporary or permanent residence in the US. You're entitled to a hearing for asylum if you show up at the border and say you meet one of the conditions that we grant humanitarian asylum for, because that's the way humanitarian asylum works. Most of the first world does this, and it is not letting people in with "no restrictions whatsoever." I think one of the big problems that "the left" has is that a lot of the policy that "the right" is implementing is stripping the ability to support the legal immigration pathways that we are actually have laws around, and throwing money at agencies like ICE and CBP who operate with insufficient oversight and regularly overreach their authority even against American citizens, and whose effectiveness has not been that great. Or stupid shit like "the wall." I am very, very liberal. I don't think we should allow unrestricted immigration, and anyone who does advocate for that is flat-out stupid and should have their opinion ignored. However, I do believe that we (and other countries) have made commitments to humanitarian refugees that are currently not being served. In addition we have a serious issue where a lot of undocumented people are already here, and we need a solution for how to treat people who have built lives here. Figuring out how to make existing immigrants legal as a way of dealing with the current undocumented population is not the same as saying, "everyone on Earth has a path to residency in this country."
I think that's the narrative the Right is preaching, because I agree with your entire post. I think they are taking the "oh look, it's a complicated and nuanced scenario because we're dealing with real people in real situations and we don't want to be inhumane about it" position of the Left and trying to equate that to "we don't want to do it at all". It seems like a general concept with them... take something that has any complexity and nuance and then dumb it down to black and white.
I've never heard of "open borders" as a policy with any sort of credibility associated with it, somewhat analogous to " defund the police to pay for counseling" turned into "liberal hellholes don't believe in police". Immigration is a nightmare, and will likely remain a quagmire for quite some time. It's complex, and boiling it down to a "we welcome everyone" or a "closed, fuck back off, beaner" position is stupid. I do understand how the immigrants we are dealing with often have far more intimate knowledge of our systems, processes, laws, etc. than we do. They know what to say to be afforded asylum, as opposed to straight up shot. Also, there are federal laws restricting how far you can move someone who is applying for asylum or a refugee. It's certainly a crime to lure them onto a plane under false pretenses, that's called human trafficking, and we tend to take it very seriously. It wouldn't surprise me if what DeSantis did qualifies as trafficking in spirit, if not the letter of the law. If there's any falsehoods documented, ie in brochures, or if they were mislead about the destination, etc. it is a straight up criminal human trafficking case, if anyone wants to prosecute the sitting governors of Texas and/or Florida. Florida-Man-In-Chief seems increasingly desperate to steal the political thunder and spotlight from El Tangerino, and committing federal crimes, taunting federal agencies and trampling minorities to do it seems to fit right within the frame.
The Democrats have been willing to talk immigration reform for years, and back when the Republicans were the McCain party they got close to a bipartisan solution. The current Republican's stance of "I'm not not saying that Hitler was right to shove undesirables onto mass transit" has broken any hope of that. They can't even support their own stance, as when they tried a super aggressive anti-immigration bill in Georgia, it tanked the local agricultural labor market and led to $140 million in crop losses. Rural Georgia farmers (a Republican voting demographic if I ever saw one) were screaming their heads off over it.
Party politics is never not exhausting. There’s a difference between having laws on the books and actually enforcing them. Neither party at the federal level is willing to actually do anything meaningful about it and it’s been that way for over 20 years. That said, Mexico is basically tapped out on a realizable stream of immigrants to send our way. They’re on the other side of the transition to industrialization (and urbanization) so most of the migrants are now coming from Central America. After that, birth rates nearly everywhere globally dropped off a cliff from COVID so there isn’t many left elsewhere. It’s also worth noting that overall migration to the US showed a dramatic decline in the last 6 months of the Trump administration and the first 6 months of the Biden admin. I’m generally fine with welcoming people who are willing to trek 1500 miles to have better economic opportunity, but let’s just do it in an orderly fashion for fuck’s sake. Also, let’s collectively (North and Central America) actually enforce the rules of asylum or change them.
It's a civil suit, not a criminal one. Kind of weird that the banks they claim he defrauded aren't filing their own suits, at least not yet.