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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. SouthernIdiot

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    Mitch McConnell has goals beyond simply pissing off liberals. Mostly evil goals, but goals nonetheless. He doesn't like to engage in shit that only pisses off liberals, and doesn't advance his goals. Most of the rest of the party however, pissing off liberals is the goal.
     
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    The whole new J6 footage release seems so inconsequential to me. We already knew that some people were actively, violently forcing their way into the Capitol, and others were just along for the ride. That being said, I don't see how the new footage changes the fact that people in both buckets should be prosecuted. I would, however, like to know what these cops that were just letting people walk around were doing.
     
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    You ever seen a bar fight where one guy is kinda just standing there saying things like "Come on guys. No, guys, really. Let's just... guys." The cops were that guy.
     
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    Those guys usually deserved to be hit on principle.
     
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    There is an insane amount of people who live in the Fox News bubble who think this means everyone who has been prosecuted is innocent and the talk about the violence is made up. They refuse to watch anything that challenges their view of what happened. It's wild.
     
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    This is the mentality I am surrounded by here in our section of Upstate NY, or as I call it, "The Deep South of the Northeast."

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    So many people actually believe this it's appalling. And when I ( rarely ) respond that more of those assholes should have been shot and killed, the look on their faces is priceless.
     
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    I agree with you. But if footage was deliberately withheld from public view for whatever reason, it really doesn’t do much to promote faith in the government and dissuade conspiracy theories. I have no idea if that was the case, but if there was ever a circumstance to not hide details from the general population, this would be it.

    Frankly I have nearly zero faith in the federal government, regardless of what party is in charge. Corporate and special interests are so entrenched at this point that I don’t really trust them to do much of anything correctly or in the best interests of their constituents.
     
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    Him emphasizing that the police officer was black, despite it being wholly unnecessary to the sentence, is really the cherry on top of the shit sundae.
     
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    I think if we've learned anything these last few years, it's that you can't dissuade conspiracy theories. The idea that these theories could be disarmed by a slight shift in government transparency is, I think, an exercise in lying to ourselves.
     
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    Probably true, but that doesn’t excuse a lack of transparency.
     
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    So far as far as criminal arrest and prosecutions the numbers seem about right based on the footage.

    Carlson crafting his own narrative just highlights yet again how divided and tribal we’ve become and the powers that be can whip us into a frenzy framing their own narrative. Pretty obvious the Jan 6 committee did the same thing to frame it as the worst assault on democracy ever ever. Of course they were going to run an endless loop of Josh Hawley running and not show the MAGA shaman being escorted around by the police. They had a narrative to frame. The hyperbole narrative in both directions is about what I expected.
     
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    The Jan 6 Committee put together a fairly comprehensive and accurate picture of what led up to Jan 6 and what happened on that day. Ironically their biggest omission was the full extent of the culpability of the Republican party, likely because Cheney couldn't bring herself to condemn the entire party to the degree it was justified. It is in no way comparable to the open and abject lying that Tucker Carlson is doing. Hawley was shown because he made a particular effort to signal support to the crowd both before and after the riot.
     
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    Fake news is going to be off the absolute charts in future campaigns.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it was the worst assault on U.S. democracy. Watergate pales in comparison. A sitting President did everything he could to stop the peaceful transfer of power with the aide of a majority of his party. He stirred up his supporters when everything else failed and got them to assault the Capitol.

    Do you have a worse example in U.S. history?
     
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    Like I said, “The Deep South of the Northeast.”
     
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    Maine is probably in the running for that title.
     
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    Yes, the Civil War which happened 160 years ago was worse. January 6 is by far the worst assault on U.S. democracy since then.
     
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    That wasn’t the a modifier anyone brought up here and certainly isn’t framed that way in the media. Not all assaults on democracy have turned violent but I’d put Japanese internment camps as a bigger assault on liberty and the rule of law. The rise of the NSA surveillance state after 9/11 no one seems to care about anymore. Citizen United. All bigger, and more pernicious, assaults on self governance no one cares about because it’s easier to be outraged at Red States banning child mutilations or Blue States banning large capacity magazines.

    Honestly his inept drunkard lawyers could hardly string a coherent case together and were laughed out of court and his mob of sycophants were literal retards that achieved nothing. Ultimately I’d put his polarizing twitter shitposting nature as the more long term detrimental effect he’ll have on this country. We are at a crisis point as a nation psychologically because of social media and the negative effects it has as a whole. Him wielding it in the most negative way possible set a standard everyone tries to emulate. It will do harm to many other aspects of our society.