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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

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    Yeah, but Biden had documents in his garage!
    Where's HIS indictment?!

    -Right wing news outlets today
     
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    Biden and Mike Pence both had classified documents. They both apologized and cooperated immediately with the DOJ. Trump ignored a subpoena and told the FBI to go fuck themselves. I wonder why only one of the three is getting prosecuted?
     
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    Because of the deep state.
     
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    It’s not only that they’re mad at him….. they’re also just so disappointed.
     
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    Reading that is fucking astounding. Like....the coals my balls were dragged over to get a clearance, and the horror stories we were told about ops that went to shit because of breaches....this is cartoonish.

    I can't really see a question of guilt here, as much as "yup, I did it. Now what you gonna do about it?" The Espionage Act doesn't sound like it fucks around.

    From a Vice (I know, I know) article that's fascinating: "The rules require at least some of Trump’s lawyers to have high-level security clearances to review the evidence in the case, said Nichols, now an adjunct professor at University of Georgia School of Law. Trump and his defense team will have to be careful not spill any government secrets when they talk about the case publicly, Nichols said, or even appear to be on the verge of doing so. Otherwise, Trump’s lawyers could have their security clearances pulled, which would make it hard for them to continue working on the case effectively. "

    This might be a serious issue: as a private citizen, I can't imagine that kind of clearance is easy to get, and it dramatically reduces the number of lawyers Trump's able to hire. I think it also means this can't turn into the "trial of the century". The media attention to this will be interesting, but some of the raw evidence of the case not even being legal to discuss means that some of the proceedings will be closed-door.

    The more I think about it, the more Trump seems to be a Russian asset. If he was....what would he do differently? Honestly, I can't fathom that just being a coincidence, and this shit...hoarding THE MOST SECRET, VALUABLE AND EXPLOSIVE INFORMATION EVER PRODUCED in his fucking bathroom.

    That's the only thing that makes sense, as far as why he'd go through the hassle of keeping all that shit. You have to know that even being in the same room as some of that shit is a straight up crime that lands you in federal fucking prison, and this dude is showing it to people like a 10 year old with his dad's gun. He had to know that shit wasn't sellable, and he had to know that it would be found.
     
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    If you've ever wondered why people are less than convinced by your "we need the second amendment to protect against tyranny" argument, it's probably because most of the second amendment types seem far more likely to use those guns against the United States than in its defense.
     
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    In fairness that is in the spirit of the amendment. Misguided but it’s the spirit of it.
     
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    Im confused the concept you mention has always been meant to mean a tyrannical US government. What did you think it meant? Both clauses of the 2nd Amendment were based around checking a Federal Government's standing Army. Wasn't really until the 20th Century that the concept of individual gun ownership was seen as a benefit of preparedness for the National Army.

    Also, Kari Lake is a kook.
     
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    Yes, but I'm referring to them using them against the United States as a nation and as a people, not necessarily as a government. They want their dictator, and they're verbalizing that they're willing to kill Americans to get it.
     
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    Dont know how academic we want to take this argument but the quote of hers was directed at Merrick Garland the main agent of what she considers a "tyrannical government," supposedly, politically prosecuting a political rival. Im not going down for Trump or this woman. Also, the republic we've set up is of the people, by the people, etc so in any hypothetical tyrannical government, in this day and age, will have the support of one half of the population (fucking lunacy). Obviously the problem with the whole fantasy is in the real world who decides what is tyrannical and what is the red line is a near impossibility. If Trump seizing power and shipping the gays and migrants to the ovens is a possibility who decides when to act? A bunch of retards thought Jan 6 was the red line and wound up in prison. We had posters on this very board invoked this argument during the George Floyd protest that suggested the police oppression of was at a point where violence against this tyranny was justified even if it meant destruction of private property and so forth.
     
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    I want to scoff and say that's an over reaction, but there are theories that Putin is by far and away the worlds richest man and we know that Trump will do anything for a buck or to think he's sitting at the big kids table.
     
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    I don't think he's a Russian asset in the traditional sense, I just think he's a chaos gremlin that any anti-American actor can pick up and use with a handful of flattery and money laundering, until he is wrested away by the next actor who dangles something shiny in front of his face.
     
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    I don't have time to write a nuanced explanation, but Trump in the defined sense is most likely an unwitting agent
     
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    "Trump is an unwitting agent."

    Jesus. What an understatement.

    Also, I disagree with the assertion of chaos gremlin. If that were the case, those boxes would be filled with bureaucratic nonsense: meeting minutes and room assignments and shit like that. The fact that they contained sensitive defense information means he KNEW what he was doing, and was keeping them for a reason. I think an Iran or a North Korea has found him incidentally handy, but the benefits conferred to the Saudis and the Russians outpace him just being a useful moron...especially when, coincidentally, both of those countries have individual actors with billions to throw around.

    If anything, the perception of reckless idiot adds uncertainty to a situation where this dude knowingly committed crimes that are straight up treasonous. Dude showed off classified information to people at his fucking golf resort. "Don't get too close, because the secrets are radioactive." He knew what he had, and he was trying to create a market for it. Why else would he show this stuff to a fucking reporter?

    I think the trial will happen well after the election, and I think we'll see a major reshuffling of DOD intelligence and security standards as a whole now. For now, this is the most explosive set of legal trouble, in part because it doesn't seem like anyone involved even tried to comply with the law, and the evidence was literally shuffled around in front of hundreds of people.
     
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    I don't mean chaos gremlin in the sense that he has no idea what he's doing, but more in the sense that he doesn't have a grand ideology or strategy, he just acts somewhat impulsively one scheme at a time. He didn't take the docs because some Russian handler told him to, he took them because he knew they were important, and because maybe they'd prove useful later. I'm sure someone in his inner circle whispered in his ear which docs were important, and maybe they had specific designs for specific documents, but Trump personally operates by narcissism alone. That does of course leave him open to all manner of manipulation, but they are short term manipulations that work off of his abiding narcissism, not long-term hierarchical arrangements.
     
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    The lowest estimations put him with at least 25p billion dollars. Most think he may have at least ten trillion. All dirty. And in a world where money talks, that buys you basically anyone and everyone.
     
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    At a certain point, it defies accounting, and has it's own sort of logic and gravity. $25 billion in assets we can track and account for using standard practices makes sense. $10T in "dirty" money seem just...like beyond accounting. Dirty how? That's like the cumulative value of the entire drug trafficking trade from 1950 to now calculated down to the last $5 Scarface poster sold in a Spencer's in Titfart, Wyoming. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying that's like calculating gravity for 10 trillion suns using weights we developed in the middle ages.

    It's staggering, and it's also why I think the sanctions on Russia for Ukraine won't ultimately matter. Putin has long been adept at concealing his riches (or ensuring that if they are threatened, someone aligned closely with Western interests is just as threatened), and the average Russian doesn't really feel them either. It's Russia's fledgling middle class that's being hurt, and their solution is to emigrate or suck it up, both of which Putin could give a fuck about.

    It's also staggering to think about why continue? Surely he has an exit strategy that isn't "death by revolt". At what point does he take it?
     
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    All that money doesn't mean anything if the currency can't be converted or spent.