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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. ODEN

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  3. ODEN

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    This really isn't news.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe...-on-anti-carbon-investment-hype/#700116ee3750

    The plan to stop Global Warming always touted by people in Government has been Cap and Trade. Magically it is nothing more than taxing American families and businesses. Realistically all they intend to do is make your cost for electricity, heat, travel, food, etc. more expensive. It will cause people to go without in some instances, that's how we fix the world....by suffering.

    These people who care so much about the environment and every other issue that the only fix for the problem is more taxes or regulations.There's no discussion of scraping existing taxes that would balance this new revenue windfall.....just moar taxes! They show they care too. Flying all around the world in private jets and riding around in motorcades of up-armored suburbans that get 5 miles to the gallon.

    So back to the point of the orignal article. The writing is on the wall now. The Carbon platform is coming. That is why Soros is taking a bite of Goldman, there is a lot of money in making the plebs suffer further.
     
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    I don't know what's going to happen, because predicting wtf is going on in this country now exceeds the grasp of mere mortals, but the media definitely smells blood in the water. The GOP hasn't abandoned him yet, but the more seasoned members are definitely keeping their ear to the ground and are avoiding tying themselves too closely to the fate of the administration as a hedge.
     
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    The media only does it's job when it's in their interest to. They were asleep at the wheel for 8 years and fawned over Obama no matter what. In the era when Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, and Loretta Lynch can get away with Contempt of Congress, are we really supposed to give a shit about Michael Flynn?
     
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    Yes?
     
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    You mean the same MSM that just reported "Trump to Employ 100,000 National Guard Troops to Round up Immigrants"?

    AP ran a huge headline and buried in the story was that it was a rough draft from "Someone" in Homeland Security. The White House had never seen it.

    The story did it's job though....people saw the headline and bought it hook, line, and sinker. Do you honestly think that's healthy for the country?
     
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    They are ALL fucking retarded.
     
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    Did you read the AP article? They made it clear exactly what it was: an internal proposal at DHS that was under consideration. They also asked both the White House and DHS for comment, and neither commented. If your argument that people needing to actually read the news to understand the news is bad for the country, and so you'd rather have a wholesale attack on the free press by the executive, then I completely disagree.
     
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    Maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly, but isn't it abnormal for a sitting President to still have issues with his cabinet and advisers this long after he was inaugurated?

    I understand the media has their own bias (and he's not doing anything but feeding that fire in my opinion). I understand that there's going to be a learning curve for someone with literally zero political experience. But with the house and senate and all that on his "side," can someone attempt to put this in an unbiased perspective for me has to whether it's normal or abnormal to have this many issues still?
     
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    It varies. This is a long delay, but it's not an unprecedented delay. A big part of it is that half his cabinet is absolute dogshit, so the Democrats are pulling every procedural trick they can think of to delay. The competent cabinet members sailed through confirmation with little delay (Mattis, Kelly).
     
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    The ability to speak one's true feelings is the very basis of a free society. At least if Trump is spouting off, you can judge him by his true opinions. Besides, how will we identify the idiots if we always work to silence them?
     
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    Trump is no longer a private citizen. He is the most powerful official in our government. That's the lens through which he is being judged and seeing him trying to chill speech simply because the truth makes him look bad is definitely not a great sign.

    Were we all somehow unaware that Trump was an idiot before this?



    But anyway, yes, Trump has spouted off and I am judging him by his opinions. My judgment says that we would all be better off if the President of the United States wasn't intent on trying to destroy the idea of an independent press.

    And because it is disconcerting here is a related story. Recently, a Texas Congressman named Lamar Smith said this:

    Rick Casey, PBS journalist/commentator in San Antonio, decided to say this in response:

    But ruh roh someone didn't like it:

    Fortunately, it was able to air after some rigamorale. However, let's couple that with the President's son in law Jared Kushner complaining to Time Warner executives about the coverage CNN gives President Trump.

    That's not a good sign. Are we suddenly living in a fascist state with no freedom of speech? No. Does the current administration have a healthy attitude towards the press? Unequivocally, no, they do not. By delegitimizing the press Trump is trying to make it so that he and his administration are the only arbiters of truth. For why that is a bad idea, I refer you to Rick Casey above.

    But that is already happening. Here is a quote from Jay Rosen, a Journalism professor, so I'd bet his numbers are solid (and the whole list is interesting.

    So now that conservatives are essentially winning the war against mainstream media, what is going to happen next? What system is going to replace the one we have? Mainstream media goes bye-bye and it is replaced by the likes of Breitbart and Gateway Pundit?

    That sounds silly because Gateway Pundit posts stuff like this:

    However, the White House decided to give them press credentials, so who knows?

    All I know is that whatever is going to happen, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
     
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    I had pretty well resigned myself to the fact that the next 4 years were going to be a shit storm. Between the liberals praying that the Russians run our government and the fact that they're STILL arguing about whether the election was a landslide electoral college victory or total bullshit because popular vote and inauguration crowd size AND ...... there's not much else you can do but laugh.

    This hostility between the mainstream outlets of entertainment/news and the administration has to be the greatest dysfunction ever to not start a war. I'm endlessly amazed at how personally Trump takes any negative narrative.
     
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    Wait...you think liberals are responsible for the arguments about the popular vote and inauguration crowd size etc.? The dude you voted for is unwilling to let it go because as you so astutely put it:

    Trump: *Lies about the election to give himself more political capital than he has.*

    Liberals: *Um, no, actually here is the basic truth.*

    Kampf Trinker: Those stupid liberals just insist on arguing and can't let it go.

    I still can't get over this clip.



    How do you watch that and come away with criticisms of the press instead of just thinking, "Oh my god, how did I vote for that guy?"
     
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    That was not the point I was making. I'm just amazed at the level of bickering and the depth both sides sink to to feel like they won something.
     
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    Happy President's Day!

     
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    I watched a clip of Justin Trudeau explaining quantum computing and then I watched this clip. How far we have fallen.
     
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    I'd say we've fallen pretty far. I mean it's bad to fall, and it's bad to fall far...but we've fallen pretty far so that's bad.