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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Juice

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    I think Kamala Harris stands a real chance of losing. All of this day-to-day shit doesn't actually matter all that much - she better get a coherent platform together and fast.
     
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    Does she though? Anyone who is basing their vote on policy made up their mind literally years ago. This election is swinging on the vibes voters, and the change in vibes between Biden's disastrous debate and Harris' barnstorming is massive. Obviously the election could go either way, but I don't think whether or not Harris releases a super detailed policy platform is what it's going to hinge on. Hell, have you read Trump's official platform? It's complete gibberish.
     
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    Remind me again of Trump's "policy" that he is supposedly running on?

    Sadly, most people don't actually care about policy in their presidential picks these days. The best ACTUAL politicians would be the most boring, mundane people you'd come across if you ever met them. Government work is SUPPOSED to be boring, but we've ascribed having a "flashy personality" as being a good leader for so long that the genie is out of the bottle to almost everyone at this point.

    So, while I can agree that Harris will eventually need to craft and state a formal platform, there's no real benefit to doing it now while she's still in what is essentially a honeymoon phase of her candidacy being new coupled with the fact that Trump appears to be spiraling more and more each day.

    My money would be on it being a key part of the DNC messaging, since it gives her time to round up the rest of the party, and standardize the messaging of what she wants out there. Plus she can let all of the others do a lot of the lead-up work before giving her final address.
     
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    I agree - but I think because Biden needlessly anchored her to immigration and now the economy, she has to put together something that makes sense and start answering actual questions. The burden is going to be unfairly higher on her than Trump, but it is what it is. All Trump has to do is win the right states with the right districts and he will win the EC. The full swathe of polling isn't as friendly to her as the cherry-picked ones the media is talking about. Trump won Wisconsin by less than 1% more votes than Clinton.
     
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    I think she can do well with a Obamaesque historic first vibes but she will have to answer on policy given she’s the Vice President and has that experience to answer for which Obama didn’t his first run. Luckily for her Trump can’t be bothered to put forward any but his usual tired puffery and crowd size comparisons.
     
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    Democrats are leaning all the way into his "every-man" persona with sending him out in stuff like Carhartt, Red Wing boots, and a camo hat. It's now led to him being jokingly referred to as the REI hire (in a positive way), which I find hilarious.
     
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    it doesn't strike me as a fake persona at all. One of the things he disclosed on the vetting process was that he's never used a teleprompter. I think that's just genuinely who he is. I don't agree with him on some things, but I'd love to go fishing or hunting with him. Reminds me of the older version of a fishing buddy in Florida.

    Also I was just texting someone reminiscing how amazon used to have all the brand name shit, which is why I do most of my shopping at REI.
     
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    Here's another difference: we're not 3 years into a Great War On Terror with "Rah Rah USA!" still in full effect and anything short of bloodthirst being akin to high treason. The voters who were kids then, have lived long enough to see the whole effort turn into a complete waste of time, blood and treasure. The voters who are kids now, have only ever known the GWOT as such. If you ask me, they'd give Walz kudos for not getting himself dragged into the quagmire.
     
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    I also see their attacks on Walz as desperation. He embodies the everyday American that they think they are. Instead, they are trying to make him out to be someone who steals valor and drinks horse semen?

    They can't even pretend to be normal.
     
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    Wait WTF?! Where the fuck did THAT come from?
     
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    THIS! Walz is every man's everyman. He couldn't be more midwestern if you cooked him up in a factory. I'm from Missouri and I am very familiar with midwestern blue collar men and it's not a thing you can fake. If you see Walz in a faded Carharrt it's because he wears it regularly.

    Granted VP picks mean nothing where it actually counts but when you put up a man like Tim Walz up against JD Vance, it's hard not to point out who is authentic and who isn't.
     
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    Huh. Not surprised given the amount of projection and how every accusation is an confession.
     
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    They're trying to manufacture the same 'so weird that it might be true' story about Walz as the couch fucking story with Vance. The only difference is that nobody actually believes that Tim Walz drank horse semen, while most people are pretty confident that Vance did fuck a couch at least once in his life.
     
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    more like Tim ballz to the Walz amirite?
     
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    Funnily enough, there’s a parody account on Twitter called Tim Ballz who is being really funny lately.
     
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    It doesn’t strike me that way either, but if the Dems lean too hard into it, it will come off as pandering. And there’s a lot of us out here in the hinterlands that can smell that brand of BS a long ways off and find it off-putting.
     
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    Not so fast.

    I didn't vote for John McCain, a man that I had wanted to see in the White House since 1996, because he was saddled with that dumb cunt Sarah Palin.

    To this day, I still feel bad about not voting for him when he finally had a chance. I know that my one vote (in Texas) wouldn't have made a difference in the end, but I feel like a phony for talking him up over the years, and in the end I didn't do it.

    I voted for Bob Barr (Libertarian) that year.
     
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    Same. Palin meant I could no longer morally vote for him. He just wasn’t a viable option anymore, in much the same way I think Walz makes Kamala suddenly viable to a lot more people.