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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. AFHokie

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    Now the Canadians have a stake in our election
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  2. SouthernIdiot

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    He's going to move to a country that's far more progressive in its politics than the US because a Democrat won. Hahahaha.
     
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    At the risk of being all "get off my lawn" and "kids these days" I'm genuinely worried about the level of brain rot among the youth. This guy is literally borderline illiterate, and yet somehow this is the media the youth are consuming.
     
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    So, to me, considering the source, location, and picture chosen, this is a veiled comment about violently supporting Trump. It's hilarious that they used a Thomas Paine quote though.

    I mean, it's concerning, right? This feels like foreshadowing.

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    But does he have skibidi rizz or a mew streak or whatever the fuck kids care about now?
     
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    So Trump came up with this "no tax on tips" idea, seemingly by the seat of his pants, to pander to working class voters. Harris has now copied the idea, and is proposing it herself to pander to the same voters. Meanwhile, it's a stupid fucking idea, and this is one of those times where I hope a politician is lying to me for votes. If you want to lower the tax burden on working Americans, just fucking lower the tax rate. Don't create a weird new exemption that bad actors are going to drive a truck through, and is going to have incredibly obnoxious side effects like making our tip-screen nightmare even worse.
     
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    not sure if he’s aware you can’t just move there. Gotta bring something of value, and have a desired skill set/profession. I’m sure our resident Canadians can explain further
     
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    Here’s my take on that quote, because I’ve said it myself: While I don’t buy into this partisan bullshit and believe both sides suck equally, I also believe that hard times are coming. So let them come now, while I can handle it and my young adult children don’t have to.

    Could be it’s just a parental thing, but I kinda buy into it.
     
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    That almost sounds like common sense border control. If only the most powerful nation in the world could somehow adopt that completely logically thinking.
     
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    why are you so fucking racist?!?
     
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    See, this is something I just don't understand. I am a skilled worker, but I would be barred from emigrating to most countries EVEN IF I didn't have a criminal record.

    WHY are so many people on the left raising hell to let people in unchecked? I don't care if they came from shit-hole countries*, and they "need" a better way of life. Stay over there and fix things, don't drag down the way of life over here.

    Why is it seen as okay for OTHER developed nations to refuse immigrants, but here in the USA, we're just being assholes?

    I fucking hate Trump and most of the GOP, but I think their stance on immigration is something they got right. If you wonder why people vote for Trump, that's one of the reasons.

    *Yeah, I said it. Some countries are shit-holes. If you've got a problem with my opinion, prove me wrong and move to one of those places.
     
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    Immigration is what keeps the US from suffering from the Japanese-style population decline. Over 90% of the US population growth in the past 5 years is due to Latino people:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/o...th-since-2020-came-from-hispanics/ar-AA1ooDQw

    I have to assume that growth is also driving economic growth as well. The logic at the national level has to include some thoughts around "fuck it, we could fit the entire population of Central America into the Dakotas and they wouldn't displace a single member of the cast of Yellowstone". The problem is the immigrants aren't going to empty, under-developed space, because fucking duh.

    It's also why the GOP is the party of Handmaid's Tale, they want population growth by breeding white people.

    Globally, there's not a government that's solved the decline in birth rate, apart from maybe NZ, and their models aren't the kind of thing we could replicate here. The US population is more immigrant than any other on Earth: https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s-immigrants/ and we, like most places, are finding it hard to integrate that many.

    Also, we are in an era of climate refugees and political destabilization. A tremendous amount of unrest can be traced back to climate change, and now a healthy amount can be traced back to COVID policies as well. Immigration is a precursor to a growing humanitarian nightmare, one that we also spend more money on than any other country on Earth to deal with (which we may have also caused, sorta, sorry guys).

    I have a theory based on the DC bubble. Where I live, within a 30 minute drive there are massive communities of Koreans, Vietnamese and all of the sudden, Afghani people. Churches, restaurants, even banks, all part of these communities. The influx of immigrants from these places we've gone to war over serve as a model for long-term success of immigration. I think if you talk about immigrants to some folks, that's the image they conjure up: Ellis Island and spicy food they can't pronounce. Not the legion of folks sitting outside Home Depot.

    I think the immigration reform gets done after 2024 (remember folks, an UNELECTED Trump tanked it to deny Biden a win, and the chickenshit GOP reps went with it), because the Democrats are learning that not all immigrants automatically vote D.
     
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    Agreed, though I would argue that Canada is a better example of using immigration to stave off a demographic collapse. The US will need immigrant labor, but to absorb the jobs that will become available from bringing manufacturing supply chains back on shore, especially in places like Arizona, New Mexico and especially Texas. The US would survive regardless because we're the only country with a large Millennial generation that roughly replaced the consumerism gap left by boomers when they retired. Mexico is now the largest trading partner for the US, or at least will be. Both the Democrats and Republicans know this, which is why foreign economic policy between Trump and Biden is more/less identical.

    Japan, China, Germany, Russia, etc. are all pretty much fucked.
     
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    I think Japan, Korea, and western Europe will be OK. They will figure some shit out, and the shrinking economy won't cause the social turmoil that it will elsewhere. Also, the climate change stuff isn't as existential as it is for Bangladesh or Indonesia or.the ME. The educated population (and low religious adherence) will be able to wrap heads around policies to address population decline.

    Russia is incredibly fucked. Like...it's insane. The only think tank scenario about Russia I can't believe is the one that says they fix anything. The best hope they have is an influx of European influence and becoming a version of Australia.

    China is one to watch, because they simply cannot endure a serious economic decline. Their environmental and climate risks are wildly high, and they may not see a declining population as a bad thing. They will look to emulate a Japanese model for population shrinking.

    I see the covid impact as detrimental as well. Long covid has reproductive implications that we may not ever fully track, but will show up in increasingly difficult pregnancies and fertility.

    I don't know that the Canadian immigration policies are much better or more popular. Integration is just hard, and it's doubly so when you can't differentiate between legitimate issues of integrating a culture and racism.
     
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    Disagree on that part. I'm not sure what Japan can do when the solution is, "Have more kids 30 years ago." They know this, but so do we. Which is why they took Trump's completely lopsided trade deal and signed it. When Biden won and they went to him for better terms, he basically doubled-down on Trump's terms.

    China is far beyond the point-of-no-return with their demography. They lied, ahem, "misspoke" on their last census but overestimating the population by upwards of 150M people, all of which would have been in the 18-40 age bracket. They also more recently issued a census correction after dramatically overestimating the population of children under the age of 15. They have one of the, (if not the) fastest-aging populations on Earth. That combined with a completely dysfunctional central government is a harbinger for a pretty rough few decades ahead, if they even survive as a unified nation.
     
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    Yes and no.

    Right now areas like mine (London, ON), are having issues due to a rate of growth that is 10 times higher than normal, and a large part of that is due to immigration. (The other part has been pandemic movements out of Toronto into our area due to relatively low properly values and big city amenities, etc.).

    As a result of the drastic increase of immigration a number of our systems are overloaded, without capacity and budget. Everything from housing to medical care is stressed.

    I should also mention that the immigrants I'm referring to are asylum seekers and refugees who are not part of the tax base like normal immigrants.

    https://london.ctvnews.ca/housing-a...flux-of-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-1.6646126
     
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    It probably doesn't help when any generation of men who aren't slaughtered by Russia's commitment to attrition warfare is considered "lucky."
     
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    I think SK, Japan, and Western Europe will be fine as AI comes on line and robotics improve.There simply won't be as big a need for workers at some point.

    I also think that hurts workers in countries like the US, Canada, and Australia.
     
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    I'd say the tax-paying immigrants is a huge part of it, no? Canada imported roughly 4M people, which is more than 10% of the population. These people have secondary education or college degrees and are skilled or highly skilled labor. They also want jobs and housing commensurate with their skillset and income, which has an inflationary effect when done relatively quickly. This doesn't even account for asylum seekers or refugees who are on the opposite end of the spectrum, usually. I'm not saying that level of immigration is a bad thing or putting a value judgment on it at all, that's for Canada to decide. But it seems like the model of Toronto and Alberta propping up the economy wasn't working anymore because of mass retirement.

    The problem is the demographic issues are here now, not something coming down the line. AI isn't going to be doing that level of replacement for a while. Plus, AI would replace low-skilled, white collar labor, not unskilled, blue collar. That might not be politically tenable in SK or Japan, but who knows. They certainly don't like immigrants as a solution.