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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. SouthernIdiot

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    I'm pretty sure a trained sharp shooter would have a better chance at getting the job done than some mentally ill 20 year old kitchen worker who had to rush his shot.
     
  2. SouthernIdiot

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    He also politely called him out for being a whiny bitch. You know Trump was throwing shit at some point during the speech.
     
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    It's like he was actually stealing more votes from Trump. Nice strategery Bannon. Yes, I misspelled the word on purpose.
     
  5. Rush-O-Matic

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    You've got to relax your standards, bro. Literally a month a go, a guy named Joe Biden Tweeted: "let me say this as clearly as I can. I'm staying in the race."
     
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    Dude, stop reading shitty Tom Clancy knockoffs before you get high.
     
  7. Nettdata

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    I saw the funniest response to some MAGA tweet listing all the “star power” at the RNC.

    “Huh… better get a VCR”
     
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    Maybe even intentionally.
     
  9. Revengeofthenerds

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    I'm legitimately excited to see P!nk though
     
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    Me too, someday. Oh shit, you meant the sing-

    Carry on.
     
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    Maryland Gov. Moore auditioning for 2032 right now. And getting in a bone spur zinger.
     
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    It feels like these past few weeks have been cathartic for everyone. Once they realized they were allowed to fight back, they're just hitting him non stop with everything they've always wanted to say. And that he's reacting like a schoolyard bully who's never gotten hit, only adds to the funny.
     
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    People have been bringing up Nikki Haley’s quote from earlier this year - the party they ditches the octogenarian will win.
    I kind of agree with Charlemagne on Breakfast Club - I think Trump isn't really interested in winning anymore.
     
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    Looks like RFK is completing his metamorphosis into Full Retard.
     
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    I don't think Trump ever wanted to win. His bluster and bravado got him further than he expected. In 2015, all he was doing was keying in on disruption, and it worked! In 2017, he looked like a dog with a mouth full of car bumper, and by 2020 he had dug himself too deep. He knows the only thing keeping his empire from collapsing is the political air coverage. The Carroll verdicts cost him the better part of $100m, and he's looking at Dominion/Fox News and thinking (correctly) there's no way for him to not die penniless. I'm willing to bet in 2020 his math once he was confirmed to have lost is "I can still fundraise, so I should stay in it." He views the whole thing as a grift based on his personality and the most convenient lie of the moment. He also knew where the DOJ was going to come looking, and they would topple his shit just by looking into the wrong things.

    At his age, with his health, he's looking at Rupert Murdoch as his path forward, not Reagan. Trump has to know he's not going to live til his 90's, and the succession plan is depressing as fuck.

    He saw politics as the successor to reality tv, and while he was correct, his win in 2016 meant he couldn't pivot to the media empire he envisioned, and the movement he created (or hijacked, depending on how you look at it) forced him to play his part. The Magats didn't turn Truth Social into a winner, and his biggest competitor is Elon Musk, who he needs as a supporter more. He has no exit strategy.

    Over the course of his life, when a grift has run it's course, he usually stops spending money on it, takes anyone who objects to court, and sells off the skeleton for anything he can get from it. This worked for him, so the idea of an exit strategy from a venture so public and so fraught with legal icebergs isn't something he trusts. He never really needed an exit strategy before, and think about the number of times he's been bankrupt, written off and disregarded. The sociopathy/extreme confidence is his brand and personality, and It has worked his entire fucking life.

    He's not thinking about winning, he knows that's not likely to happen again. You can see that based on the rhetoric and the lack of platform/promises he's making. He's thinking about surviving a Harris administration, and how to keep his movement and his political air coverage alive after losing a 2nd election. You can see that based on how they've hammered any GOP face that has hinted about him not winning.

    The post-MAGA GOP is going to be fascinating. I can see 2024 being a reckoning, 2026 being a dead cat bounce and 2028 being an absolute nightmare. The vacuum Trump creates will fuck the party over for a decade, and it's feasible the two-party system collapses with some bizarre bedfellows appearing in 2026.
     
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    Huh. I would've thought the K was for Kennedy, not....well, one of three.
     
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    I read a pretty good theory on Trump withdrawing from the race based on a plea bargain deal. Trump doesn't want to be president, he just doesn't want to be in jail. Now that Harris is running and is starting to lead in more and more polls, the chance of her winning and him going to prison is looking likely. They drop charges, he drops out of politics. That's a win in my book.
     
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    This feels like bullshit, because a Trump withdrawal is useless to Biden/Harris. The window for his plea mattering to anyone is long closed. Also, there's no way of enforcing him "staying out of politics." As a convicted felon, he can't vote, but that's on DeSantis to enforce and....yup. I imagine the legal argument would be "as a former president, all his speech can be construed as political speech."

    The Biden administration made a deal after J6: accept the L, shut the fuck up, cooperate with the administration, and DOJ will let you be. His legal team delayed and fucked with the special counsels for months, trying to run the clock out on statute of limitations on some of this stuff (it's why of all the crimes I personally watched his team commit in 2020/2021, few of them actually are being prosecuted).

    He delayed, hemmed/hawed for a few months, and stuck to the "stolen election" lie long enough that finally Garland realized what was happening and said, "fuck it, go to trial." Remember kids, J6 charges might be treason, and Trump hasn't gotten there yet. At this point, plea deals are for testifying against Trump. A deal for Trump himself assumes he could be trusted to honor the agreement, and he cannot.

    At this point, there's no version of a recalcitrant, humbled Trump that either administration would accept. They burned their goodwill long ago. It's one of the reasons the Democrats are paying no penalty for hitting Trump below the belt, so to speak.

    Also, Trump withdrawing would put whoever is next up (likely Haley) in position, and that's...somewhat more dangerous. Trump withdrawing would only be valuable if he publicly admitted the lies, manipulation and aired the dirty laundry. The idea of a pardon deal somehow occurring with those assurances in place actually working as intended, and Trump honoring his word is just a non-started at this point.

    Finally, his legal record is....not bad. He would likely reject a plea deal because he's had some astonishing luck in court. On the other side of an election loss, his luck is all but guaranteed to run out on one of these matters, but taking a plea deal and ridding himself of the main thing keeping the wolves at bay is a non-starter.
     
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    If that’s the case, then it will only prove that all the charges ever made against him were nothing but political attacks designed to hurt him. Even stuff as egregious as the stolen classified docs case where they were stacked in the mar a lago bathroom.

    If you can let potential treason go unpunished for political gain for the other party, then it was never really a crime.