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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    In today’s edition of TMI posting when I was 12 -13 I saw this episode and the cartoon dancers being scantily clad gave me one of my first and hardest boners of my young life. God wish it still worked that way.
     
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    holy FUCK I had no clue it was that large!!! Imagine if her post persuades even 1% of that amount to show up and vote for kamala....
     
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    Again, pollster thinking. Swift's endorsement didn't change anyone's mind. Maybe 2-3% of her fanbase (using Insta followers as a global measure) are that diehard. It just gets them talking about Harris and it gets them off the couch. It forces the Trump campaign to now play defense to legions of Swifties online (who legitimately may outnumber Russian bots), and it will get Swifties to vote instead of staying home.

    Right now, how do you get Kamala Harris voters to vote in places that they think don't matter? How do you get more folks engaging in this election than the last one?
    The untouched ground is the 80 million voters who didn't vote in the last election (it was closer to 100 million in 2016). The vast majority of them are not voting because they live in a runaway district where their vote won't matter to the outcome, and the media (and the polls) tells them down to the block whether or not they are wasting their time. Many are eligible voters for the first time, and simply don't know how and haven't really felt the need to vote.

    One of the biggest ways is to get a political conversation happening where there wasn't one before, and in this election that conversation with women and girls is massive potential for Harris. Swift's demographic is very risk averse, by artistic measures, she's twice-tamed mediocrity. So, she's palatable across several generations of culturally conservative folks (I say culturally, not explicitly politically leaning red). All of the sudden, you have millions of young women paying attention to Harris because T. Swift told them to. Tonight you will have a LOT of awkward conversations with Trump supporting dads confronted by enraged girl children who've spent all day trying to understand why Swift would endorse a politician and why it's not the one on the flags in the lawn.

    Her endorsement, aside from having MASSIVE reach into a demographic that's difficult to engage (young voters in general, young women voters historically), is likely to turn supporting Harris into a social media frenzy, and the thinking is it will carry voters into booths that would have otherwise stayed empty. She didn't change anyone's mind, she gets people off the couch. That's it. The deciding factor is the HUGE social cues to go and vote. Swift doing so in a way that suggests some anger against the Trump campaign is the icing on the cake. The thinking is if Swift can fill arenas, she can also fill polling places with an endorsement. The social cue is the crux. If no one you know is voting, then you wonder why bother? If people as vocal and fanatic as Swifties are all about Harris, then the FOMO sets in and you go vote. It's a potent combination of noise, hype, and social signaling all designed to get folks off the couch.

    Put simply: if Swift's endorsement gets 1.5% of her followers to vote that wouldn't have otherwise, and those voters are 90% Harris voters, that's damned near 4 million votes, out of the 80 million eligible voters who didn't bother in 2020.
     
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    For a good laugh, check out DJT's stock price over the last 5 days. Support mounting for the debate, debate bumbled and then a big sell off.
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    We should track down anyone whose mind was changed by Taylor Swift's endorsement and remove them from voter registration permanently.

    That's a far more alarming threat than some Mexican DOCTOR, LAWYER or ENGINEER voting illegally.
     
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    Per Vote.gov, she had just over 300k people visit their site directly from her link in just about 12 hours.

    https://x.com/ElenaMMoore/status/1833936170301960507
     
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    Would a lawsuit from Taylor Swift even be credible? He didn’t make an AI image of her, himself. He just “retweeted” it. The lawsuit would just be more PR, I guess.

    Her critics were all pissed she hadn’t even commented on it, but now it’s obvious they were laying the groundwork.
     
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    Yeah, her endorsing Harris was always going to be her best revenge.
     
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    Just about everyone I know in the legal or political field has suggested that if she wants to come after him, it would be viable and massive. She might be one of a handful of celebrities who could claim to be legitimately injured by it to such a degree that damages are significant.

    We're still in the wild west days of AI and celebrity, and her case would likely set some major precedent. I think the opposite, it wouldn't be for PR, it would be making an example out of anyone who tried to do this again. He didn't produce the image, but he knowingly used her likeness and persona to falsely endorse a political candidate. There are a LOT of rules around that sort of political speech and the AI component may end up being irrelevant.

    If he had just lied about it in passing in an interview or whatever, it'd just be lost in his torrent of bullshit. But because he posted it publicly and made it "political speech"....yeah, she's definitely got a case, standing and an easy path to calculable damages.

    Technically "Shake It Off" was her best revenge, but...
     
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    Alright, I’ll take your word for it.
    Her music is bland as fuck, but I can’t deny she learned the family business of protecting her money.
     
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    There have already been massive judgments against Trump, and until and unless he is defeated at the ballot box, legal consequences for him aren't real. Endorsing Harris and blocking him from returning to the White House is Swift's best move. If she wants to pursue a lawsuit after that, then go nuts.
     
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    that is absolutely insane. I never would have guessed it would be that high, and even I figured there would be a lot of people swayed by her
     
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    It’s more like a fight between two dumb bitches, because that’s exactly what it is. The best thing to do is pray it hurts both of them.
     
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    That's not even the funniest part.

    I read that when I was eating dinner last"night, and "Arby's in your pants" almost made me spit out my food.

    I'm going to be using that insult for a long time; I just wish I'd come up with it myself.
     
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    Look, I’m not a Taylor Swift fan. But I understand celebrity and fandom and business, and JD Vance is stupid.

    The songs from her latest album have pretty much fallen off the singles chart and had no lasting power. But, her album was #1 for twelve weeks. Her team continuously re-released different variants of the album with added bonus songs, which could only be purchased with a full album purchase - thus counting as another complete album sale.

    But even though her latest singles stopped charting, she won multiple VMAs for those songs last night, winning over songs that are still charting. Because the VMAs is a fan-voting award show.

    My point is - Taylor Swift’s fans do what Taylor tells them to do, because she’s perfected the parasocial celebrity relationship.
     
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    She also has tens of millions of fans— like no other American recording artist, ever. Michael Jackson would sell out a football stadium in fifteen minutes. She sells out six nights at that stadium six weeks before the tickets even go on sale— for a show 18 months later. Her level of fame is so massive it doesn’t make sense.