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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    1. Jews aren't Christians. To the degree that Jews are facing rising antisemitism, that doesn't validate any assertions that Christians are being oppressed
    2. Yes, the extreme fringes of both sides are bigoted and violent and objectionable in various ways. The big difference however is that the mainstream of the left does not cater to the fringe, whereas the mainstream of the right is fully enmeshed with the fringe. Yes, some campus radicals are espousing antisemitism in their Palestine protests, but in terms of actual elected officials? The Biden administration is not in any way antisemitic, nor is the Democratic caucus in the Congress. In contrast, elected Republicans are all sorts of nuts, from their virulent anti-immigrant rhetoric to whatever the fuck is going on with alleged weather-machine conservative-genocide they're on about.
     
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    The most "extreme" member of the Democratic caucus had some pointed criticisms of the state of Israel, while emphasizing that it was not a criticism of Jews generally. That seems pretty tame compared to what we're seeing among the Republicans. Also Bowman got primaried out by Democratic voters.
     
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    Well, yeah. But you said no antisemitism in any way by Congressional Dems.
    And kudos for the voters to oust Bowman. If only the Reps would do the same to their fringe
     
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    Sorry, is it the Christians or the Jews that are being oppressed?

    Because you might want to, ya' know, go back and actually read what you wrote and my response to it. Both sides whataboutism absolutely does not apply to a bunch of white Christians on a gun forum inventing victim fantasies about how they are being oppressed and subjected to socialism.

    And yes, shitty people absolutely do exist across a spectrum of political ideologies. The Democrats are not immune to this, and I am not holding them up as "innocent as a babe." But there's a huge chasm between what's going on in the Republican party right now, and what's going on outside of it. If you don't see that, then... I don't know what to tell you.
     
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    STOP WITH THE BOTH SIDES SHIT. This is fucking nonsense. The "both sides" horseshit is the clearest sign of trolling, or at a minimum a bad faith discussion. It's not balanced, fair or reasonable. It's looking at a goal post that was thrown off the field, into a swamp, with sewage dripping off of it, and pretending it hasn't moved and the game should proceed.

    Am I saying the left is innocent, or beyond reproach? NOT IN THE FUCKING LEAST

    If you're attempting to equate left wing bigotry to right wing bigotry, I call bullshit on your math, because there's no amount of fuckery to make that equation balance out.

    The left is subject to plenty of fair criticisms, especially on what sorts of actions are bigotry or prejudiced.

    What is beyond the pale is saying they are subject to the same level and nature of critique as the right. They fucking aren't. Far from perfect, but well...the right isn't exactly on the right and winning side of history when it comes to this, is it?

    If the incomparable nature of the two means that critiquing the left happens in a vacuum, tough fucking sledding. That's where we are, and it's an unfortunate consequence when the right can't seem to agree on basic fucking reality, like Trump lost the election, or the government doesn't send hurricanes directly at MTG's fucking face (WHICH IF I COULD, I DAMNED SURE WOULD), or that FEMA spent disaster funds on migrants, and that you shouldn't threaten first responders' lives over your political nonsense and I'm limiting it to just fucking TODAY.

    When both sides can agree that the sky is blue, water is wet, and grass is green, then we can compare the two. Til then, one side is in a fucking cult pandering to a melted mashup of an Oompa Loompa and taco bell wrapper full of baja blasted diarrhea, and the other side is actually trying to improve upon the reality we all seem to share and it's pointless to pretend they have anything relevant or informative in common. The only thing that makes sense is to point out what a shame it is that some people have to vote alongside a bunch of methed-out cock-biting shit-badgers.
     
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    Says the FEMA man who is currently driving hurricanes into the homes of God-fearing Christian Trump Patriots like a drone operator.
     
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    One side has people critical of Israel whether correctly or not that is filled with some well meaning if terribly naive people about the conflict who accidentally due to ignorance or lack of understanding fall into some antisemitic pits. Many of those people are more to the fringes and are often reigned in by the leadership when not outright called out if not disavowed entirely.

    The other side, openly COURTS neonazis, white supremacists, religious zealots, sexual predators, etc., and their support of Israel is built more on hatred of brown people and a religiously delusional belief that jews being in control of a certain region will make the sky daddy happy and start the rapture where he'll wipe out all the jews and the "correct people" will get to go to heaven.

    Both sides have issues but they're not even in the same fucking universe of severity or are even close to similar and to imply so is complete and total bullshit.
     
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    ikr? fucking Biden shill.
     
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    Maybe I wasn’t clear in my first post but I agree Christians are not be persecuted. Kinda the point of the post. The real or imagined slights have become unrealistically fatalistic rhetoric that leaves no room for middle ground. If both sides believe the other side wants them dead in a ditch what’s there left to talk about just start killing the opposing leaders or eachother? I should have been more clear shifting gears to the rise in antisemitism, a separate point that the left is just as capable of causing real world issues with bigotry. Are the sum total of each sides issues comparable? No, not with Trump at the helm.
     
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    A few weeks ago I got a call from my doctor. One of the medications I had been taking for over 15 years (we looked it up) for my PTSD, the Texas government suddenly decided to make prohibitively difficult for doctors to legally prescribe. This is a lexapro-adjacent medication -- literally something you cannot abuse, would not abuse, and even if you wanted to abuse something there are cheaper and easier alternatives out there anyway.

    So I had to go through this whole process of weaning my body off it, just in case something were to happen. Because frankly, we don't know. I was great, everything was going fine for a decade and a half, and then you never know what can upset that perfect equilibrium when you're dealing with clinical depression and anxiety from your brain chemistry being outta whack. A lot of sleepless nights, but I'm getting there. My body is adjusting. To be honest, I have no choice or say in the matter. I wish I did.

    What is insane to me, is that some politician somewhere decided they were going to make a medical decision on my behalf. Obviously there are a lot of parallels with the government getting into women's health issues as well. I just don't see how people can do this "both sides" crap. It isn't the same. One side is literally trying to control your most personal decisions. The other is going "meh, you do you."
     
  11. dixiebandit69

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    Did the doctor say WHY the Texas Lege didn't want people to have it?

    I remember back when it was the Liberals who were whack-jobs, not the Republicans.

    How the turn tables...
     
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    they re-classified it as a "drug of abuse," even though it isn't. Similar to how people want to outlaw marijuana, and in the process think hemp-derived CBD should be illegal too. It's what happens when you have people making decisions about things they don't understand.
     
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    "Big Pharma" is the new right wing boogey man. Unless it's Ivermectin which can apparently cure everything now.
     
  14. Juice

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    Don't worry there's plenty of well-off parents in Massachusetts that have whacko opinions on vaccines. One of the psycho moms that volunteers to help out at school lunches once proclaimed that she didn't want her kids to have the COVID vaccine because it causes learning disabilities. My wife told her she's a nurse and disagrees. The woman asked her if she had seen the real data.
     
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    I often feel like parenting would be easier if my kid wasn’t quite so smart, so I just keep vaccinating him but it doesn’t seem to be making a difference.

    (/s in case that wasn’t obvious)
     
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    I had seen the info on rare increases in myocarditis or pericarditis, but I hadn't seen anything about learning disabilities. I think kids eating processed foods, staring at their phones for 14 hours a day, and not getting enough sunlight does more learning damage than vaccines. But, I'm not a doctor.
     
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    You don’t need the /s here. We’re not actual idiots. Trust us. As if we were the children you wish you didn’t have.
     
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    Try working at a school. At the height of covid. I've lost all respect for humanity.
     
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    This is true, with a ton of caveats. My company has a 5-year contract with the FDA and Moderna to study the prevalence and impact from COVID vaccine-related myocarditis. I oversee the infrastructure and security of the data lake that is being used in the study.