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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    Sessions recuses himself from all Trump related investigations in a clear attempt to avoid having to resign.
     
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    He might still end up resigning at the end of this.
     
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    Kushner now confirmed to have met with Russian ambassador in Dec in Trump Tower. Sounds like he was the second in a Flynn-led meeting.
     
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    I'm legitimately curious. Do you think all of this is a massive conspiracy, and all these people are Russian traitors, or is this that you hate Republicans so you're just hoping there's something incriminating there? If so, what do expect the investigation to uncover?

    I'm trying to be open minded about all of this, but it really seems like people keep losing their shit and getting all excited over the most innocuous of details. Every day there's more people in on it...whatever 'it' is.

    If it's just supposed to be the Trump campaign conspiring with the hacking, why would this many people be in on it?
     
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    He won't resign. The House Intel Committee found no evidence of wrongdoing in initial findings. Unless there's some bombshell, he's not going anywhere.
     
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    Dude, I don't hate republicans. I don't hate democrats. I don't view things from a myopic team mentality.

    I'm not excited about traitorous behaviors. I wasn't happy how Hillary handled all of her scandals. The constant cover ups and lying. The pay to play with the Clinton foundation. How horrible of a politician she was.

    What I hate is the naked hypocrisy. Yea, it happens on both sides. What I hated was the endless investigations and calls for charges from republicans for mere speculation of wrongdoing from Clinton, but they are not holding any of their own to the same standard. I hated how they obstructed anything Obama wanted to do for 2 terms and but now they are complaining about democratic obstructionism. I'm not saying either side is right. But the hypocrisy is shameless. It comes from McConnel and Chaffetz.

    And this isn't about being sore from the election. It's just about trying to maintain a semblance of integrity in our government.

    I get pissed because I work for the state of Texas in an official capacity and I am held to an incredibly high standard of ethics for everything I do. I get scrutinized for every word I write in my reports. For every cent I claim in mileage. If I so much as take anything offered to me from someone I inspect, whether it's lunch or a pen or a tshirt, I can get fired for taking bribes. All I want is our highest officials held to a similar standard as the peons.
     
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    It smells. It should be investigated. I have no idea what they may find... maybe it'll be a jet full of cash provided by Putin, maybe it'll be nothing. Regardless, that's the whole point of an investigation.

    And if it's found that someone, never mind the fucking Attorney General, lied under oath, then something should be done about it.

    It's not about hating Republicans or Democrats, it's about the slimy nature of career politicians and the complete lack of integrity they have, and the desire for normal people to have things cleaned up a bit.
     
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    If everyone had to guess, what do you think they are going to find? Is it going to be something as bad as this or worse?

     
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    I hope they just appoint the special prosecutor. If you're going to do it, then just do it. There's no need to bicker back and forth for another 3 months about whether or not it's necessary.

    Believe me, I want Washington cleaned up as much as anybody, but I also don't want people fired or recalled over trivial shit. "So you didn't remember you briefly spoke with an ambassador last year? Fired!" It's a bit too much. Sure, look into it, but if there's no connection to corruption or the hacking there's no need to go overkill.

    It's not that I'm totally ruling out something really nasty going on. I've just yet to see anything that hopped out at me and made me think 'smoking gun'. So far you could insert Germany, Israel, or any other dozen countries for Russia and there would be just about as much evidence of connections to the administration. Of course none of them hacked, but I'm just saying it doesn't appear to add up to a whole lot thus far.
     
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    In fairness, republicans lost it over that. Personally, I don't think it's all that bad. During an election politicians need to posture and show how tough they're going to be, but in practice you need to be more reasonable.
     
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    This.

    It would be an understatement to say it sets a horrible legal precedent if the AG lied under oath. Russians, chinese, having sexual relations with that woman, eating a snickers bar for breakfast, posting on an adult message board when he was 15. Doesn't matter what he lied about. If the fact is he lied under oath, regardless of what it was in regard to, he cannot be the AG any longer.

    Pretty sure the debate stops and ends there.
     
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    I wanna know what's in his fucking tax returns.
     
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    If you're referring to statements by Nunes, they're essentially worthless in telling us anything about what's actually going on. He was a member of the Trump transition team and every statement he makes on the topic is pretty much immediately followed up by the ranking Democrat on the committee saying "Uh.. no, that's not the case."
     
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    I wonder how you felt about Lynch.

    Anyway, I wouldn't get your hopes up too much because Trump is sticking with Sessions for now, as he should.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...uestions-about-when-senators-meet-ambassador/

    When you meet with thousands of people in a year it's pretty easy to forget about one that wasn't particularly significant. For all we know at this point the ambassador stopped by his office for five minutes, or they spent an hour discussing the time frame of when to release the Podesta e-mails to wikileaks. They need to look into it, but it's a little early to be calling for his head.

    Sadly, Washington is now a reflection of the population that voted them in, obsessed with hate mongering against each other and way over the top with quick accusations and finger pointing. In his second term the republicans treated Obama like shit and now the democrats are doing the same. Both are more interested in trying to make the other side look bad than getting work done.

    I certainly don't think either candidate in this race was a good option to normalize party relations, but hopefully voters will have had enough at the end of Trump's term and being a divisive bickering jack ass will stop counting as a positive because 'you stuck it to the bad guys'.

    I have no respect for senators and house representatives, who are already dirty anyway, making wild accusations to score brownie points with assholes in either base.

    The over the top partisan hatred needs to fucking stop.
     
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    Well it was a preliminary investigation, not a comprehensive one. Nunez and Schiff also authorized the statement documentation that Sessions has to answer to for the investigation. But I doubt Sessions is going to resign anyway. If Gonzalez and Eric Holder can survive all the horrible shit they did, Im guess Sessions will survive this.
     
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    And now Mike Pence has his own email issues to deal with: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/02/mike-pence-private-email/98637782/. We'll see how democratic politicians react to this. Personally I'd like to see them ask Republicans if they're going to open an investigation against Pence the way they did Clinton, then hammer them for the hypocrisy when they naturally refuse.
     
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    It wasn't illegal for him to have used a private email address for public work in his capacity as governor. More disturbing is that he still uses an AOL email, did they hack into his dial up?!?! Turns out the same Russian diplomat that is at the center of the Flynn/Sessions nonsense visited the obama white house 22 times and multiple times during 2016. We're going to get a special prosecutor to investigate that right? Somehow the fact that Obama's administration used intelligence agencies to gather intel on an opposition candidate and leaked regarding these investigations during the election isn't seen as facist police state thuggery? As for that last sentence, it seems the new normal is flinging baseless accusations based on half truths, fuuuggit.
     
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    The problem isn't talking to Russian diplomats. The problem is being deceptive about it.
     
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    An ambassador to the United States having meetings with the United States government that were logged and made public should be investigated?
     
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    There is a dark humor in the fact that people are bending over backwards to mount a defense of the Trump administration that ultimately amounts to "They're not literally treasonous, they're merely staggeringly incompetent and/or malicious." I wouldn't mount a defense of Jeff Sessions from accusations that he didn't wash his hands after going to the bathroom, but knock yourself out.