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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Misanthropic

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    Sorry for replying twice. Garage night.
     
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    Here's a fun fact: for the amount of money that Republicans spent running "Kamala wants to use your federal tax dollars to pay for trans surgery for prisoners" ads they could have paid for every gender reassignment surgery ever done on a federal inmate... 1500 times over.
     
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    We should do away with the death penalty and implement involuntary gender reassignment instead.
     
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    Iran already does that with gays. You’d be copying them.

    I’ve always had a simple-but-elegant idea for punishment: the victim’s family gets to pick who the killer’s cellmate gets to be. For 23-hour-lockdown days. How much value will his life have when he’s bunking with a 6’9” dude named “Slice” who blows kisses at him?
     
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    This is the first data I've seen with something interesting to say about why Harris lost. A few things jump out at me:
    • Inflation crushed her, and would have crushed any other Democrat who ran. It was the first or second most important issue across the board, and those voters believed that Biden could have somehow retroactively made COVID not happen. That's the ballgame right there; this loss was baked in since 2020.
    • Trump's strategy to tank the immigration bill worked. It kept the issue high in salience, artificially made it worse, and ensured it could be used as an issue. Some truly cynical politics.
    • Harris threaded the needle perfectly on Israel/Gaza. She didn't get dinged for being either too pro-Palestine nor too pro-Israel to any great degree. Extremely unlikely she could have lost fewer votes by taking any other stance.
    • Voters are dumb as fuck. The most salient issue for swing voters was the idea that Harris was too focused on transgender issues rather than focusing on the middle class, despite the fact that Republicans spend literally hundreds of billions of dollars talking about transgender issues and Harris did not mention it at all. No campaign can cure that kind of stupid.
     
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    She lost because she was a shitty candidate who failed to connect with voters in a meaningful way. That's all there really is to it. She lost votes in almost every voting bloc. The vast majority of counties in the entire country shifted right. It's not because voters were brilliant in 2020 and became stupid. They don't change. The platform was weak, the candidate was weak and she stated a week ago that she would have done nothing different than Biden. That's a wrap.
     
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    Been reading some stuff online and GenZ(18-
    While I don't disagree that the Dems have a fucking TERRIBAD messaging problem, the main issues are as Aetius and my previous video stated.



    The American public really IS that fucking retarded.
     
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    Is it really a rightward shift if 20 million people sat out? Statistically, if more right wing people voted than left wingers, they would win in the places they need. If turnout was the same as 2020, and Trump won the same way as he did this week, I’d say the country did turn right. I mean I suppose you can conclude Kamala apathy is the same as a right wing shift because we’re all about to find out.
     
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    They're STILL counting votes, but it'll still be something like 10 to 15 million that sat this one. It seems to be the old adage of "Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line".
     
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    She was a bad candidate, but I'm not sure anyone could have gotten through to a bunch of economically illiterate people. But then a bunch of people who voted last time decided not to show up, so maybe a better candidate could have done better on that front.
     
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    If you look at turnout though, this election had roughly the same turnout as almost every other election with the exception of 2020. 81 million people voted for Joe Biden after Trump’s first term. If this second term is as chaotic as his first term, you should expect a similar turnout in 2028.

    The GOP had a hell of a time recovering after George W. Bush‘s second term. He left office with a 23% approval rating and got two Obama presidencies back to back. Obama being in office broke so many brains it created a tea party movement and all the current backlash we’re still facing.
     
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    She offered up price controls as a solution to inflation. She should have had no trouble getting through to other economically illiterate people.

    As far as the other 18M votes or whatever, I have no idea. Guess they stayed home. I get it, I almost did. But that carries the same weight in terms of results as people that voted for Trump. If the Democrats retreat into their copium dens and refuse to learn from this shit, they'll lose in 4 years as well.
     
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    It just cracks me up that despite 74 million odd votes people simply can’t conceive that a lot of people think differently than them.
     
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    Hey, it was good enough for Nixon.
     
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    It's one thing to have different ideas in how you want to be governed. I can understand why some people want to believe that a fertilized egg is equal to a human being. I think it's insane, but that's religion.

    Watching a president try his damnedest to retain power after he lost an election and voting for him afterwards is just delusional. Add in that most don't understand the difference between high prices and the current rate of inflation. And that raising tariffs will make prices go higher when one of the biggest reasons they voted for him was current high prices....well that's plain stupid.
     
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    See this statement is what I’m trying to express. Even trying to say you understand you still say they’re wrong. It’s fine to feel that way, but dismissing different opinions as simply wrong is what got us here in the first place.
     
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    I don't mean to go after you, because I've seen this sentiment a lot, from a lot of different people/places, but my political memory is old enough that reading it gives me whiplash. I remember when conservatives despised the idea of "moral relativism"; they would spit the words out with the same disgust they usually reserved for "communist" and "satanist." They would decry entire cultures as inferior because there are certain absolute moral precepts that are inviolate, and we as outsiders had every right to judge other cultures by them. Flash forward to the Trump era, and even the idea that right and wrong exist at all, or that any person can judge the opinions of any other person, no matter how obviously factually wrong or morally odious, has been completely abandoned. The right to be free from criticism for one's opinions is now held more dearly by conservatives than the right to have an opinion in the first place.
     
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    You can’t spend years telling people they are terrible and then be surprised when they go alright I’ll show you terrible. I know I don’t sound like it but I am pretty liberal and the constant I am a straight white guy so I am the devil became too much.