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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    I've literally never seen that outside of the corners of the internet. And the internet is the same place I've seen beheading videos, literal neo-nazis, and a girl selling her bathtub water to videogamers, so I take it with a grain of salt.
     
  2. gamecocks

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    Did you miss the deplorables and garbage comments? I’m not going to pretend to take offense to it but you can’t say things like that and then go shocked pickachu when people lash back at it. There is an air of superiority from the Democratic Party that frankly alienates people and instead of addressing that they double down on well those savages just don’t know any better and we’ll teach them.
     
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    This comic expresses my thoughts on the matter.

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    Nobody is TELLING these people to be massive mean spirited and spiteful cruel assholes to everyone around them so they have no excuse to be mad when people call that shit out.
     
  4. gamecocks

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    You do understand that there is some portion of 74 million Americans who hate this guys bullshit yet still feel he’s the better choice?
     
  5. Aetius

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    But neither of those comments had anything to do with race or gender. And let's be real, the garbage comment was misinterpreted on purpose so they could pretend to be offended. Biden was clearly referring to the rhetoric of the speakers at MSG, which is what he was talking about leading up to that sentence, and what he immediately clarified he was referring to. I don't see this big Democratic campaign against straight white men that would justify it being the overriding public policy issue of the day.
     
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    I’m just saying how I feel and I’m apparently not alone in my thoughts. You can have the moral high ground or address the fact that’s how people feel.
     
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    I don't want to "invalidate" your feelings, but Aetius is right and you are wrong. Harris lost because of the economy and slightly further down the list, immigration. She lost from a combination of Dems being horrible at messaging surrounding their platform and half of the country being too stupid and comically unaware of their own stupidity to understand it if she did.
    She also lost because as pointed out by Republicans for the past 40 years, if you encourage and make it really easy to vote, they'd never win another election. 2020 we were stuck in our houses, with nothing to do, we were given easy access to voting tools on a large scale never before seen and people were being blasted in the face with how incompetent Trump himself was, which is why you saw Trump lose top of ticket, but Republicans make gains down ballot. Same exact thing that happened this time, but in reverse.

    If you don't believe me on the election thing, here's Lex Friedman, MR. Love & Hope, Kumbaya, Just Vibes Man coming out and proving the point better than I ever could.

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    You’re not alone. In fact you’ve saved me a lot of typing this morning so thank you.
     
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    I love how the poles have reversed and you have democrats defending our addiction to slave labor manufactured goods lest the status quo be rocked and Americans pay slightly more for their wal mart goods. It’s the same myopic argument Milton Friedman hooked the GoP to that helped offshore our Middle class manufacturing base which also consequentially gutted the American labor union base as a byproduct. I’m not implying Trumps in favor or some champion of unions in any capacity, but for the side that claims they are, they’re Strange bedfellows defending the policies that helped crush them. Using the exact same scare tactic, “it’s a tax on Americans!!!!” to stifle the idea of even thinking about taking a different approach.

    Next thing you’ll tell me is the minimum wage raises the cost of goods and forces unskilled laborers out of the market.
     
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    I'll put it this way: If you can figure out a way to allocate resources reliably with a skyrocketing demand and a hard ceiling on supply without causing shortages, you will win the Nobel Prize.

    Price controls generally only work in a systems where the market is completely dominated by one or a few players.
     
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    Am I the insane one for simply thinking we had a vote and more people voted for one candidate?
    Or she just lost because more people chose to vote otherwise.
     
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    And while we’re on the economic topic, let’s talk about how counterproductive tariffs will be. I’m not sure if the right just wants to punish foreign countries or there is some other motive but it won’t help anything.

    The economic point of tariffs is to protect a domestic market. Putting tariffs on wheat for example would force Americans to buy domestic wheat because it would be cheaper. Tariffs only work if the country levying them has an industry or market to step into the gap.

    If we levy tariffs on products coming from Asia, for example, like bicycles, electronics or plastic doodads, this country doesn’t have the manufacturing base to make up for it (see 2020 and supply chain issues). So, the foreign companies raise their prices to compensate for the tariffs and Americans have no choice but to pay it. Inflation increases, the economy suffers and prices will rise and not come down. There simply ISN’T significant manufacturing in this country for bicycles or electronics, so market forces can’t step in and bring prices down. Americans will have no choice but to pay more for these goods .
     
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    Trump also put tariffs I metal, which is beyond stupid. Your country needs aluminum and does not have have it like other countries. Your steel sucks compared to other countries. Needs less “OK, USA” bullshit like this doesn’t do anyone in your country good, and makes other nations hate you more, which is deserved which you consider the ignorance.
     
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    It was a joke, or an attempt at a joke. I agree that price controls are a stupid idea.
     
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    All I can say is that I hope the price of eggs go down. If half of America voted to destroy the rule of law in order to save a dollar on eggs, and then didn't even save that dollar... man, they'll really have egg on their face.
     
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    I live in an area that was gutted due to the free trade policies pushed in the 90's. I thought it was a bad idea when they passed and feel like I was proven right. However, at this point tariffs on a broad range of goods is a bad idea as Misanthropic so eloquently pointed out. We actually lost manufacturing jobs under Trump the last time he was in office.

    Meanwhile, there was some good legislation passed under Biden that actually grew manufacturing. The CHIPS act for example. Trump wants to kill it. Why? Because he's a fucking clown who just wants to destroy anything passed by Obama or Biden regardless of any facts about them.
     
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    How can one be wrong in a matter of opinion? I am in no way trying to defend anyone’s actions. I’m just saying if 74 million people feel a certain way you shouldn’t just hand wave it off as oh they’re wrong. We all need to work together on this and no one on either side seems willing to accept that so we’re gonna go Nero playing the fiddle.
     
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    It's not so much that she lost because more people made the choice to vote for someone else, it's that the reasons they decided to vote for someone else are so completely counter to actual reality. The economy isn't actually the problem, it's the feelings about the economy. The border isn't actually a problem, it's the feelings about the border. Social media companies being in bed with the government isn't actually the problem, it's the feelings about it. It's not the DoJ being weaponized being a problem, it's the feelings about the DoJ.

    The point I'm trying to make is Democrats don't have a party problem, they have a messaging / populism problem. The right says, "We're going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!!!" and the Dems have to counter that by being the adults in the room and explain how that's not actually a thing that can happen. When it fails to happen, the left doesn't absolutely eviscerate the right because of it. The right says, "We're going to deport all of the illegal aliens!!!!" and the Dems have to counter that by being the adults in the room and explain how that's not actually a thing that's going to happen. When it fails to happen, the left is going to...............what this time?

    The what are they going to do this time is what wins and loses elections on the presidential level.
     
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    I know you were, was just stating it for the ether.

    If Trump really wants to bring back manufacturing, overturning the Jones Act would be a good start.
     
  20. Aetius

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    Well, it definitely is now. A right-wing billionaire bought Twitter, turned it into a focused propaganda outlet, and is now joining the President-elect on national security calls with foreign heads of state. Feels a little bit like "merger of state and corporate power," which I swear is a phrase I've heard before. Benedict something? Benjamin? Definitely starts with a Ben.