Illegal immigration isn't a criminal offense. Justice Scalia wrote in his opinion of Arizona v. United States which struck down that legalized profiling law, "It is not a federal crime, to be sure." Since that case also made the federal government the arbiter in all things immigration, that makes illegal immigration is a civil matter. Never mind that right now, if you were an illegal immigrant that lived here long enough and applied to be a citizen, you'd be deported and banned from returning for ten years. Sort of incentivizes you to NOT apply for citizenship, doesn't it? Wait, so you think that judges are blocking this stupid executive order because judges believe the president doesn't have the authority to order it? And not on the legality of the content of the order is in the first place? And not how a travel ban on countries based on religious make up violates the constitution? K.
I don't know about you, but it would incentivize me to not come here illegally in the first place if my end game was to be a legal citizen of the country.
Which is easy to say when you've been living under the banner of freedom all your life. But what about a 9 year old who came here when they were 2? What kind of a choice is it between overstaying a tourist visa or returning home to an regime that kills people that share your religion, orientation or ethnicity and have to go through an immigration process that takes years?
You're working very hard to side step the points I made. Actually, you're not addressing them at all. Yes, I heard the rationale from the judges. According to the law that rationale is wrong. So is it our job to take care of everyone who is in a bad situation? How is this supposed to work? And seriously, what the fuck is it with liberals and wanting the most misogynistic crazy fucking immigrants possible? Not even Muslims in general, we want the craziest region of Islam because... If it's about wanting immigrants oh so badly, why can't it be some less insane starving people elsewhere? Seriously, how do you people reconcile this shit? "Republicans are part of the war on women blah blah blah racism my feelings blah blah blah." --> "We need to bring in more middle eastern immigrants to show how progressive we are." It's not even about Islam in general for me(there's a lot of different cultures within the Islam umbrella), but how the fuck can you look at Europe and think "Gee, that's really working out well." or look at the cultures of some of these countries and not realize that their beliefs are backwards?
So your argument is that since it's tough to legally enter the country, we should just ignore the law and those that break it? That's a great idea. I've heard it's really difficult to get a job when you're a meth head so let's allow them to commit crimes so they can get by too. And hey....if they happen to have children...even moreso the reason not to punish them because why should we hurt the children because their parents broke the law?
That's a bullshit argument and you well know it. His point is clear and he's asking you to try and look at things from the perspective of someone who hasn't been born into a life much better than most simply because their parents banged in the wrong country. And please don't get me wrong, this isn't a shot at you. Nor am I asking you not to enjoy the freedom and privilege you have, there's no sense in wasting that. What I'm asking for is to drop the snarky bullshit. If you've never been involved in the immigration process, it's a fucking nightmare of truly epic proportions. If we're going to argue immigration, let's start the argument where it starts. And that's the slow-as-fuck system currently in place, where efficiency is but a hope and a dream, and no one's in a hurry to get anything done, all while working a comfortable government desk job.
My sister is a legal immigrant and I'm quite familiar with the hoops that need to be jumped through to legally get in this country. It took several years and that was with our father being a US citizen. Then we had to get her husband legally into the country which took several more years. People just wandering in or overstaying their visas just makes it that much harder for people that are attempting to enter this country the correct way and I really don't see any reason to reward them for cutting in line just because they feel entitled to it.
What country did your sister immigrate from? Part of the issue is that if someone is waiting in countries that are at the heart of some of these conflicts there's a risk they don't survivor long enough for the red tape. I don't really feel comfortable saying hey wait your turn while there's mass murder going on where they live. (This isn't purely specific to the US). And yes systems need to be fixed but I lean towards the side of let's figure out a way to do it not let's find reasons not to.
Just so we're all on the same page, refugees from Syria and legal/illegal immigrants from Mexico are not the same thing.
Not to speak for someone else: First - analogies don't really work here perfectly but for the sake of discussion I'll assume this does. I would understand that the person was in a desperate situation not of their own making and reacted based off of that. And if possible would try to find a way to help them get out of that situation so they aren't forced to have to make the choice to steal a car.
Exactly. One group wants to get here illegally, work hard, and mail a bunch of tax free money back home; the other group wants to get here legally, do nothing, and then blow something up. Allegedly.
It just amazes me that after this kind of wishy washy bleeding heart stupidity has led to the policies in Europe that over the next two years might crash the entire EU liberals are still looking at those policies and thinking they're some great idea. The left is in kind of a rough spot right now, but they can reset themselves nicely over the next 4 years thanks to Trump and the republicans being somewhat incompetent and dysfunctional across the board. The last thing they need to do is go over the top in advocating for unpopular ideas that have failed catastrophically elsewhere. The left in Europe has tried pretty hard trying to pretend the problems away by attempting to shame people, and referencing the occasional false report. That shit doesn't fucking work. And from the less important side of things I really don't care to hear a bunch of feminists deny that immigrants are leading to sexual assault increases and then prattle on 5 seconds later about how misogynistic people are for not wanting the government to pay for their birth control.
Mod edit: Lets try to keep it at a discussion. Not the place for an anti-Hillary (or anti-Trump) rant.
This is really starting to piss me off. So Bill O'Reily allegedly sexually harasses women, gets fired. But Trump admits to sexually harassing women, gets elected president? America, we done failed.
Actually he denied it. I don't really believe him either with regards to the accusations, but the reaction to the pussy grab comments were kind of silly. And fox news didn't give a shit about the harassment. They cared that it was costing them money. I will say this about the Trump sexual harassment accusations though - it did look kind of suspicious. They all came forward at the same time, which just happened to be 3 weeks before the election and right after the release of the tape. None of them cared to come out when he was soaring in the republican primaries. None when he declared that he was running. Not after he won the nomination either. They all (or at least the majority of them) decided to all come at roughly the same time, which happened to be shortly before the election. Hmmm... Then there was the part where it turned out the DNC was sending people to start fights at his rallies and a lot of people wouldn't put orchestrating a scandal past the Clinton campaign. To be clear, I think the accusations were likely mostly true, but I'm just saying why it raised eye brows with some people. Or that was the rationalization at least. Kind of like Bill Clinton, I suppose people liked his policies so they just decided to believe him.
The fuck is this? Wanting to prevent crime is now considered virtue signaling? I shudder to think that giving a shit about people other than yourself is now considered something to be mocked. It amazes me that you can think that the bleediing heart stupidity that has mostly worked for Europe after right wing nationalism brought about World War II is suddenly the cause of all of America's problems. Liberalism isn't the problem. Division is. People are more concerned with being right than being correct. When one side refuses to even see an issue as being a problem, the electorate has failed. Left and right both. I respect you as a person, but this is straight up horseshit. The only thing I could find was a Swedish gender studies professor saying that maybe we shouldn't be calling all immigrants to Sweden rapists. Which, hey, seems like common fucking sense. After all, if we generalized all people of a certain color based on reprehensible behavior of a few, we'd start with jailing all white people. Also, denying a woman access to anything is misogyny. That's the fucking definition of it.
Do you remember in late October when the democrats were claiming Comey was sitting on "explosive evidence" of proof that Trump was colluding with Russia? Now, of course he's getting fired because he was leading the "only real" investigation. The Obama administration investigated since at least back in July and the reason they can't find proof is ostensibly because Trump won't let them investigate. The FBI was/is one of several agencies that was following every lead, even that piss tape nonsense. So the fact that they continue to not find proof is always proof that Trump is guilty. I'm just saying...