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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. shimmered

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    This.
    My middle son has sever asthma. I have NO IDEA how he’s going to exist once he’s an adult. We spend upward of $300/mo on prescriptions with insurance. The copay on his inhaler alone is $50.
     
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    Jesus. My daughter's asthma prescription is $2 per inhaler. Her steroid prescription is $2 per inhaler.

    The people who quarterback your healthcare are the worst people ever to occupy skin.
     
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    It really is unbelievable. I don't know why half to 3/4 of the country are so adamantly against public health care. It works better and costs less with better care across the board. There is nothing to fucking argue about. It's not like we have one example for a limited time. We have dozens of examples for dozens of years each, and these retards are just like "Uhhhhh, wait times?"

    I have a serious hatred toward idiots who refuse to deviate from their ideological nonsense no matter what data refutes it. Sadly, that mentality of just sticking to ideology and facts be damned has really permeated this country in both parties at a deep level. It is just mind numbing how stupid the average person in this country has become with regards to policy. I'm not saying people should be experts on anything in particular, but fucking hell, it's just all bullshit and vomiting out narratives at this point. And I am so fucking sick of both parties acting like the other one is the stupid one. True, the parties aren't exactly the same, but both are FULL of morons.

    Going to stop there because I could rant about that for awhile. Maybe in 20-30 years this country will come to its senses regarding health care. Probably not any time soon, sadly.
     
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    Nah, we have been limping along, bleeding for a while now with what we have. The system is ready to collapse at this point. Nobody is happy: Doctors, insurers, hospitals, employers or patients. The exchanges are fucked, The costs keep going up. It can't go on for another 30 years.....at least I hope not.
     
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    I recall reading that some doctors were eschewing all insurance and doing a subscription: $100/month for family care visits, and they refer you to mom & pop pharmacies which are LUDICROUSLY cheaper than the national ones. Insurance is so fucked doctors are stealing Netflix's business model. It's absurd.

    I think the solution is to gradually expand Medicare/Medicaid, and as part of that expansion heat up the ability to investigate fraud and deal with "super-users". Baltimore has a vivid case study on this. They estimated that 2% of the users of their health system were "super users" that relied on emergency medical services for things like headaches or being without electricity (literally, a lady called 911 and asked for an ambulance because she was cold). That group jacked up the costs of the ENTIRE system 15%. The wild part was there was no single insurer absorbing that hit, so the medical system foisted it off on the group (us), and did nothing to address it. In the case of a single-payer system (Norway I think, or Denmark), those outliers are identified and sent through a social services layer first, or re-directed to a case worker specifically for their needs (a sanity triage, if you will).

    Follow the money, fuckers. Too many people are getting too rich to give a fuck about how much your medication costs. The argument for single payer gets bogged down so easily, look at Britain: "nanny state rules", we have to pay for abortions, we have to pay for birth control, we have to insure people who are fat/smokers/gay/at genetic risk of x disease/etc. The divide and conquer strategy driving so much of our politics for the last 80 years will work all too well on centralized healthcare.
     
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    Well, at least Trump brought on a Health and Human Services secretary whose primary goal is saving money for the American public.

    If you haven't been following the story, Secretary Price has chartered domestic flights in the U.S. to the tune of around four hundred thousand dollars and chartered military flights for international flights to about half a million dollars. He has gone on record saying he would reimburse fifty thousand dollars for his seat on a chartered flight.

    http://www.politico.com/tag/tom-price-flights
     
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    It's not just him either...
    So far:

    HHS/Tom Price: $1,000,000
    EPA/Scott Pruit: $58,219.19
    DOI/Ryan Zinke: $12,375
    Total: $1,070,594.19

    There are 23 Cabinet positions.

    This is the kind of shit that happens when the culture is fucked from the top down. If the boss can do whatever the fuck he wants, why can't I? As a government employee, that kind of shit pisses me off almost as much as the other shit going on. I have to be completely accountable for every cent I get reimbursed for my job. I don't even try to get paid back for my toll roads because I have to submit detailed receipts of which highways I used and I have to write a letter to the travel office explaining my justification for using that road over a different one. Just to try to recoup my buck fifty.

    But they can charter private jets? These guys also gutted their own department's budgets in order to save money in the name of federal waste on government programs. Zinke spent that 12k on a private jet that is also owned by an oil company. He's the secretary of the interior. With oil companies in his pocket? You think he has the best interests of our national parks?

    But if Trump can spend more time golfing in 6 months than Obama did in 8 years and burn through the entire secret service budget while making money off of them in the process, why shouldn't his cabinet get similar benefits?
     
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    And Price resigned. Peace.
     
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    I have totally lost count of how many top rankings members of this administration have resigned or been fired. This is hilarious. Sad as well, but hilarious.
     
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    Holy shit.

    That's actually even more than I thought.
     
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    Another day, another black eye.

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    Pence’s press secretary resigned also. Not sure of the reasons yet, but there’s been stories the last couple of days about Pence’s lawyer talking to Mueller lately about cooperation. I don’t know if Pence thinks he’s safe in all of this or if he knows he’s toast. We shall see.
     
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    RE: NFL Protests

    Backlash?

    "NFL ticket sales at TickPick slumped 17.9 percent this week compared with the prior week, their steepest decline since 2014, while sales at TicketCity plunged 31 percent."
     
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    Our income doesn't allow us to make use of the Obamacare marketplace. So we're currently at $1700/month for my wife and I and two children for health and dental.

    And we just got a letter saying our plan has been replaced by something that's even more expensive but they haven't figured out the exact price yet.

    If trump can un-fuck our insurance, I'll love him just for that.
     
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    Truly amazing that conservatives are giving Trump credit for "draining the swamp" of his own hire
     
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    It’s also because the prescriptions he takes aren’t all in the insurance formulary.

    Because of course it makes sense to NOT cover all medications and to show favor.
     
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    Yes. Let’s not forget though that he resigned because he got caught, not because he racked up a million dollar travel bill.
     
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    No matter what the prescription, it's $2 a pop for our house. No a care in the world about our insurance, no card, it's so convenient for my family that we barely have to think about it.

    ...and certainly never need to stress about it. Because lately it seems (more than ever) that many Americans are getting bent over a desk and getting raped by the devil's three-pronged cock. And they're sick of it more than ever. It's sad to watch. I can't imagine people ripping you off in order to save a kid's life.
     
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    There’s zero question that if I were a single mom again the choice would be eating or paying for scripts.
    I’m lucky. We have insurance.