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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kampf Trinker

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    Or to rephrase that:

    When you don't have to lie about your record and your stances the entire debate.
     
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    His sarcasm isn't without truth. The crux of pinning anything on him is if they can prove intent just like the email situation. Unless he's Hillary Clinton aide level dumb he won't have voiced anything incriminating outside of his own head. In other words no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges. Of course it is only enforceable through government administration not the force of law. Standards of proof might be lower and Clinton could tell him to kick rocks once she's in office.
     
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    The Attorney General warned him not to make any announcements.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ned-by-justice-department-and-attorney-gener/

    He didn't even have a warrant to view those emails when he made the announcement.

    The guy is an idiot.
     
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    She wouldnt get slapped with charges right away anyway. The FBI would pass the hot potato over to a grand jury, which would take forever.
     
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    Wow.

    At the White House press briefing today, press secretary Josh Earnest said of Donna Brazile: “Look, those of us who’ve known Donna a long time know that she is a person of integrity and a person of high character. She’s a true professional who is a tenacious and effective advocate for Democrats.”

    Literally caught red-handed cheating and they still spin this bullshit?
     
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    I love it. Trump now has the lead in Ohio, Florida, and North Carolina. He's down by 2 points in Pennsylvania. If he can turn that state he's got this. If their response to everything wasn't so mind numbing, ridiculous, and offensive it would have never done anywhere near this kind of damage. Talk about a rough weekend for the dems...
     
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    He's certainly a jerk. I'm still not getting how the hatch act charges are supposed to stick, but hell, I'm not a lawyer. Paging VI to the courtesy phone. Would the hatch act actually apply in a case like this? My understanding is any ambiguity in the wording goes toward the defendant and it doesn't appear enough to be a violation. I'm sure as hell not going to take Reid's word for it, who went off about that Russian conspiracy in the same letter.

    If Trump wins, watching all these idiots freak out about the Ku Klux Klan takeover of the American government is going to be EPIC. Just thinking about it makes the black coals in my heart tingle.
     
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    If he gets Pennsylvania the odds of the McMullin scenario happening are pretty slim. If he gets Colorado and doesn't take Pennsylvania that's a whole different story. This election is too much crazy.
     
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    Most of you are probably familiar with Peter Thiel, so I will skip the introduction. I will say that when he speaks, he is no Obama, he doesn't quite have the stage presence but the message he delivers is very salient and rings true with how I view the world.

    With that said, I know many of you have taken the time to describe your world view and where it came from.....I never did that, I apologize. Very briefly, I will say this about how I arrived at my world view: I grew up in small town, liberal, white bread Maine. I was very liberal all the way through college. My parents are liberal, many of my friends from Maine are liberal. After graduation I entered the workforce for a private sector company that did a lot of Government work. I have spent my entire career working in the private sector, dealing with Government entities daily. This changed my view of the Federal Government for the worse. It became clear to me that the Government doesn't possess the answer and can't manage what they try to manage in any manner that most people would consider effective. Today, I most closely align with Libertarians but generally find some of their policies as a bridge too far and not logical. I have said for the longest time that I wasn't going to vote but after the big push in Trump's first 100 days speech to curtail corruption, fix trade and reinvest in America for once; I have decided that it is a better outcome than more of the same.
     
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    Apparently the Dems have decided to push the Russia narrative HARD to try and deflect from their problems. Hillary's twitter the past few hours is Trump/Ruskies stuff. This was a great one:

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    I wonder if they have any clue how stupid and desperate this is making them look? My guess would be no.
     
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    I'm curious. What has Donald Trump done, not said, *done* that convinces you he'll be able to do even a fraction of what he, very nebulously, promises?

    The way he was able to sell steaks through the Sharper Image?

    The way he started a mortgage company right before the housing crisis?

    The man isn't even honest about the hair on his head, but his supporters believe that:

    a) He is honest about making extremely vague changes to something at some point

    b) Is even remotely competent enough to effect any of these changes

    On the scale ranging from corrupt to stupid, I tend to vote on the corrupt side. Corruption I can predict and plan around. I can anticipate corruption. What will Hillary do when in office? Everything she can to enrich herself socially, financially, etc. But she'll at least leave something intact. It's hard to fleece a smoking crater, after all. Can anyone say with certainty what Trump'll do? And again, on what are you basing that?
     
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    Oh goody. The multibillionaire doesn't know how to make money angle again.
     
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    So no? Not one? Not one single thing?

    His entire angle from start to now is how his awe inspiring business acumen will enable him to effect these amazing changes. Why is it not fair game to point out how his entire shtick is slapping his name on random things and threatening baseless lawsuits when things don't go his way?
     
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    To answer one of your questions, because he's an overgrown man child.

    As far as his business record, it's been consistently successful. Anyone who has hundreds of business deals is going to have some failures. That applies to everyone who is so diversified in their investments. There is literally zero exceptions. Some of his ideas are just silly, like Trump steaks, but he's rich as fuck and sometimes just blows money on something he thinks is cool.

    I've posted my rationale regarding what I like about Trump's platform several times. If you take issue with my reasoning by all means go ahead and explain why so we can move the conversation forward.

    Edit: Also, the way you guys are embracing or overlooking this awful corruption is fucking insane. If you don't care about the long term damage it is doing to our health care system, the economy, and the middle class, maybe you at least care about the people in the middle east that are dying because of it. Fucking Christ.
     
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    Big business in healthcare is the problem. Get profit out of the equation and everyone wins.
     
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    Because the GOP platform is just that much worse. Even if everything you said about Hillary was true, she still is better than any Republican president. Why is this so hard to understand? It's not like we're all giving Clinton a free pass; every Clinton supporter I know has criticisms and concerns about her. Hillary may in fact be a liar who's only in it for herself (and I don't believe that), but the entire GOP platform is a collection of lies and wretchedness. The very thought of lending any support to anything they stand for is utterly and morally repugnant to me.
     
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    So, in a nutshell:

    1) Pops leaves him a bunch of money

    2) He wins some, he loses some

    3) Makes American great again

    That's your logic? Seriously, one. Name one amazing feat of business genius that man has done. His wealth is inherited. And his best selling book was more or less ghost written for him.

    And who is overlooking corruption? To me, that one is a wash. If you are going to say that Republicans (Trump included) have clean hands then I hope, for your sake, you're living in a glass house coated in friggin adamantium.
     
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    I understand your perspective. You think Trump is a blowhard, rich asshole. Who has failed upward his whole life. To a certain extent, me too.

    You also think Clinton is as corrupt as the day is long. Me too.

    Here is where I think we differ. How do you judge things are in America today; economically, socially, etc? I personally don't think they are good (or as good as they should be) for most, at the least they have not improved much over the last 25 years or so. They are good for me. The political position I am taking is not good for me from a financial standpoint. What would be best for my career is more of the same; my success hinges upon the continuation of the American Empire. More 'Democracy,' more 'Freedom,' and more "Free Trade" for people around the world. It is a difficult position to be in and I won't go too far in to detail on this but when you grow up believing in what America stands for and then you go see firsthand that it is nothing but false advertising it has a disturbing effect on your outlook.

    With that said, how many times have we elected corrupt lawyers and Washington insiders and not just for POTUS? You can argue the semantics of this statement to your heart's desire, I have no interest in any future discussion of it but I will say this: What we are doing, who we are electing, it's not working anymore. We need a real change.

    EDIT: One other thing I want to put up here for people's consideration when discussing how crazy Trump is. You realize there is discussion of putting a No-Fly Zone in place over Syria right?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...zone-third-debate_us_58084280e4b0180a36e91a53

    Who will enforce this? America? So when Putin puts birds in the sky, is Clinton going to order them shot down? That is an act of war, you are aware of this, correct? Do you also realize this:


    While we argue about safe spaces and which bathroom kids can use, Russian children are taking up different hobbies. Russia has a very different mind set than America, they view things as "me against the world." They are ready, Clinton must think we are ready; do you think we are ready?

    I don't want war and I'm not convinced that Clinton wants peace.
     
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    Can you clarify that, Trakiel? What is your problem with Trump from a policy standpoint that you weigh so positively with Hillary? I hate his stances on abortion and climate change. That's a start at least.

    No offense, but after Hillary's awful record was exposed in the primaries you fell back on Hillary because her corruption loaded her with more money to support down ticket races so therefore she was preferable to Bernie. Your reasoning makes zero sense to me. If you're someone who votes on the social issues, and only the social issues, then I can understand you a little bit, although I don't share that narrow worldview.

    No, I've posted it several times. Stop being a jackass. If you're too lazy to read my earlier posts then I'm too lazy to take you seriously.
     
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    Oh no. That's where you are mistake. I have read your posts. Many times. About how you "feel" you can trust him based on what he has "said".

    And yet, you are incapable of naming one single thing he's done.