Elephants and Jackasses...

(Shrug). Presidential pardon will sweep whatever this is away.

Unless a grown up says the word "impeachment proceedings", this is a cute little distraction that at best gets Trump to say "you know what, fuck that guy!" to get anyone actually convicted and punished.

I hope we'll soon learn the precise legal limits of presidential pardons from the beloved news media soon, but from what I recall, there really aren't any.

 

The one small glimmer of hope is that Mueller has also been reportedly working with the NY AG and sharing information, that way if these guys do get pardoned for federal charges, they can immediately be brought up on similar state charges which Trump can do nothing about.

 

They're now needing to remove stuff from founding fathers because it's oh so offensive.

So they're irrational twats, who gives a shit?

So let them not return. Again, why does anybody give a shit?

This is pretty silly. Yes, Washington owned slaves. You're not going to change history by trying to erase him from the public eye.

I guess I don't really care. It's not very important to me that the church Washington used to attend acknowledges him or not, but it's mostly that I'm annoyed they keep giving in to these jackasses.

It's ridiculous that people don't want to acknowledge even the founders of this country now.

 

I'm at the point I don't give a fuck anymore. Let them erase history, fuck 'em. Those who don't remember history are bound to repeat it and we're headed that direction in a hurry.

Has anyone seen where in NYC they're out to take down a statue of Teddy Roosevelt? These idiots are the reason Trump is president and they think doubling down on their idiocy is going to bring people to their side.

 

I give a bit of a fuck because every time these people get their way it just further encourages them. I don't want these retards making impactful decisions about anything. Just stick to your nonsensical academic 'research' and fucktarded essays and leave reality to the rest of us.

I'm sure they have other important things to do. Like inventing another 55 genders or redefining racism again so that it's truly intersectional.

I still don't get how this never ending crybaby safe space deplatforming victimhood fucking weirdness is so pervasive. People are going to look back on these times and cringe, for so many reasons.

 

What's going to happen is they're going to get rid of any and all history that upsets them. They're going to completely tie the hands of law enforcement from dealing with minorities.

And the result will be that minority ghettos will still be the worst, most violent places on the face of the Earth to live. Then they'll find something else that offends them.

 

And they'll blame cis white men for worsening conditions because of course they will. They're too empty headed to consider anything else.

What I don't get is why the fuck anyone is giving them the time of day, let alone caving to them. Conservatives hate them, moderates hate them, even a good portion of liberals hate them at this point. They're approaching the point where they don't even represent a significant portion of people anymore. How are they still getting their way and why?

 

Are you guys done with the sjw hate circle jerk yet?

The WaPo article says the statue shouldn't have been vandalized and the Fox News (ugh) article is about a church, not a public forum.

I do not see the relevance of either points, other than to piss on SJWs. No, statues should not be vandalized and a church can have some pretty fucked up views on history...not indicative of anything.

Sjws can be annoying just like any other group...I wonder who benefits from vilifying progressives, especially on Fox News...?

I am glad you're angry at nothing real and an imaginary group of assholes....now what?

 

How are they imaginary?

That story obviously isn't as important as Mueller filing charges, but this thread is about politics and current events related to politics, so the story fits.

It's not like SJWs are the only thing talked about in this thread, but they're sadly relevant to modern politics so until they stop being relevant they'll come up once in awhile. Other than that I suppose people mention them more than might otherwise be warranted because they're the most annoying group, in the history of pretty much ever.

These are the people who are anti-free speech and pro segregation so they can feel 'safe'. Progressive is the last thing they are. The Appalachian mountain hill billies are more progressive than some of these weirdos.

 

Let me put this to the "Fox News" test I use on my grandmother when she starts complaining about welfare queens, black people who want to murder "the whites", or the gay agenda:

Who do you, personally, know like this? I mean, names, went to school with them, etc. You only need one name to confirm they exist, but if you don't know anyone like this and Fox News is telling you how terrible they are....I can't think of a soul I've ever had a conversation with who actually believes what you're claiming they do, the viewpoints put forth are ridiculous, twisted and ignorant to such a degree I can't see how they survive a basic Googling or an abysmal high school history class.

My point is if you can't think of anyone personally who fits into this category of "freedom-hating, SJW trash" who in the course of describing taking down some placard in a church you rip for hating on "cis white men", then they likely don't exist, or at a minimum, they fall into the category of "people who think Chewbacca is real" where if they do exist they are so few in number and limited in intellect they aren't worth the breath.

To your point, it's imaginary: statues shouldn't be vandalized, so what's the controversy there? Crime? A church having it's own ideas of history isn't exactly a mainstream view, regardless of how ill-informed they are (and I'd imagine at several points in history, this church has wanted to distance itself from its semi-political past). Even you said you don't care and it's silly....so what the fuck is supposed to be discussed?

I genuinely encourage you to question your biases: SJW's are annoying, but are they more annoying than white supremacists? How about more annoying that MS-13? YOU get irritated by a group you somehow imagine thinks you're the villain (Straight, CIS, white, males are the devil, according to tumblr nonsense), and the fact that you're not a villain inspires righteous indignation. Cool, but let's not pretend that you were ever really persecuted in the first place, that these are somehow people acting on these beliefs, or that this is any more real than the proverbial 13 year old making death threats on CofD.

I say this because there's plenty of work left to do to figure out how people that don't fit the mold integrate into our society, there's plenty of debate and discussion around how we build a country when not everyone can be a member of a nuclear family, and there's still a breath-taking amount of tribalism instilled in our communities when it comes to being inclusive. An SJW who throws out ideas like George Washington doesn't deserve a place of honor and George Jefferson does is simply ignorant and while annoying, not worth the debate, if they truly believe that at all. I use the label "progressives" at this point as the folks who are having that discussion earnestly: the people who want to make our society more inclusive, open and not limited to a particular scope of lifestyles and behaviors. I think of them as the people pointing out the flaws in our systems: the folks who get homosexuality and bdsm removed from the DSM 5, the folks who modify marital status and parental status forms to reflect gay marriage, the people who are trying to make life easier for the increasing majority of folks who aren't cookie-cutter Norman Rockwell paintings.

I'll add the Walter Cronkite test, as well. Imagine this story being reported by Walter Cronkite. If it sounds too stupid, ridiculous, pointless or non-informative coming from a voice you'd trust, it probably is. In reading them both, the Fox News and WaPo article fall squarely into the Ron Burgundy school of reporting, not the Walter Cronkite.

 

I've known a few actually. Have you been to college? Even when I went these people were everywhere. I'm sure it's worse now. I run into them on occasion, whining about stupid shit like cheerleaders in the nfl being part of the patriarchy and whatnot.

We've had several board members quit because they bought into this stupid ideology. You think they don't exist? We wouldn't have politicians propagating stuff like the wage gap nonsense if these people weren't out there, or if there was only 5 of them or whatever.

And yes, I think they are more annoying than white supremacists. Less scummy, but even more annoying. The media and liberal arts academia is covered with them. I find it hard to believe you haven't noticed that.

You can say they aren't worth bitching about and that may be a reasonable point, but to pretend they don't exist is just silly.

As for them not being worth a debate, well you can't really debate them anyway. They don't argue with any of the criticism. They just throw a hissy fit and call the person in question a racist and misogynist. I think I heard it put well when someone said "A creationist will at least try to argue with you. A feminist will not. It's just you're ugly, you're stupid, you're a misogynist, your identity is threatened, blah blah blah."

I'm at a loss as to why you're trying to make this point. Do you think they're making it up or do you just think it isn't news worthy or what?

I have never said that.

 

Why keep bringing them up then? You, ToyToy, and Crown Royal are always seemingly trolling the internet for 'sjws' doing something stupid so you can get all angry and indignant. What's the point? It's like you're looking for excuses to get angry.

Furthermore, why does the right get to wash it hands of white-supremacists and their ilk while you continually take the left to task over SJWs? This double-standard is why people many of us on the left throw up our hands about courting "undecideds" and "moderates". Because they expect perfection from the left, while the right gets excuse after excuse for whatever shit policy or actions they enact. No point in playing a no-win game.

 

Truly a woman crying and throwing herself on the mercy of a run of the mill traffic cop is the one calling the shots in this country.

 

Because the white supremacists don't have any political clout. The KKK and nazis are fucking irrelevant. The only sliver of relevance they have is SJWs pretending they are relevant and giving them as much attention as possible. Or probably more accurately, just pretending large groups of people are white supremacists that obviously aren't.

Also, I never see the right defend white supremacists. I see the left defend SJWs all the time, or just outright side with them.

I've heard this whine so many times. To call them 'just not perfect' is quite a stretch. I guess Hillary was just the thinnest hair shy of perfect too.

Anyway, I don't think the left needs to worry about perfection. Just stop letting the mental patients run the asylum. That's why most of America thinks the democrats have no message right now other than being anti-Trump. It is endless whining about stupid shit and crying because not enough of their precious Muslims are let in. Stop acting like it's because no one is paying attention. It's because they're too focused on the wrong things.

Just stick to the issues, which they are better on, and they'll win.

I agree with you in the sense that NONE of the SJW crap is among the most important issues. So instead of defending them tell them to shut the fuck up and beat up the right on climate change, voodoo tax plans, health care, etc.

What do you think was more effective against Trump? Continually hoping this Russia story turns out to be true or pointing out how bad their health care plan was?

 

Uhmmmm.....

 

Show me how they have real meaningful political influence that isn't some conspiracy theory nonsense.

I find it odd you referenced the Charlottesville incident to refute me, when it is a perfect example of what I said. They only get attention because SJWs need to give them as much as possible.

 

"Feminists resort to name-calling, as they are inherently hysterical."

I'm quite sure you're not really interested in debating the issues, because I can't count the number of long posts I've made (with citations, no less) explaining why I feel the way I do about certain issues. If you are under the impression that people are not talking with you about social issues because they're incapable of matching your rhetorical skill, please allow me to disabuse you of that notion.