Adult Content Warning

This community may contain adult content that is not suitable for minors. By closing this dialog box or continuing to navigate this site, you certify that you are 18 years of age and consent to view adult content.

Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kubla Kahn

    Kubla Kahn
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    729
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    11,507
    Put me in the camp of, meh. Acting all apoplectic over Franken's transgressions waters down the point. I'd say in a logical world, on the spectrum of sexual harassment he exhibited, it would normally warrant no more than a decent public humiliationing (sp). Im not sure what the Senate rules require but calling for his head seems overblown. Haven't we learned enough from public school zero tolerance nonsense how fucking warped shit can get? We're having the conversation finally, can we at least try to avoid the ridiculous nonsense reactionary stuff we know fucks shit up? Please?
     
  2. toytoy88

    toytoy88
    Expand Collapse
    Alone in the dark, drooling on himself

    Reputation:
    1,264
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    8,763
    Location:
    The fucking desert. I hate the fucking desert.
    I'd be pretty pissed if Al Franken grabbed my butt.
     
  3. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,450
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,953
    Location:
    Boston
  4. Tim

    Tim
    Expand Collapse
    Disturbed

    Reputation:
    56
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2009
    Messages:
    310
    Quasi-serious question: Who is vetting the president? Or is getting elected some sort of pre-vetting carte blanche?

    Has anyone been keeping up with Scott Adams and his assessment of Trump? He keeps going on about Trump knowing exactly what he is doing and is the master of his domain or whatever. I just wonder how good can Trump be at whatever he's doing if he gets so many people upset and outraged? If Trump was truly a master manipulator wouldn't he be able to convince more people he's doing a good job?
     
  5. xrayvision

    xrayvision
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    525
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,417
    Location:
    Hyewston
    Scott Adams makes good points about knowing how Trump can manipulate people on the culture war. Build the wall and whatnot. And the monikers he would give to his rivals. Cooked Hillary, Lyin Ted, little Marco...

    But as far as being smart when he’s up against legal ninjas like those on Mueller’s team, he’s got nothing. He’s been painted into a corner and everything he says publicly only implicates him further. Just like his tweets from yesterday where he thought he was helping himself and instead, basically confessed to obstruction of justice. He thinks he’s way smarter than he is, but he is way outmatched. He’s flailing and every outburst only makes him look more like a dying animal.
     
  6. Crown Royal

    Crown Royal
    Expand Collapse
    Just call me Topher

    Reputation:
    975
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2009
    Messages:
    23,027
    Location:
    London, Ontario
    Trump is one of those clueless creatures of the night you used to see on the first couple weeks on American Idol. Void of any substance whatsoever, yet immersed in this bubble where they believe they’re of a higher station than anybody surrounding them. That they can’t be wrong. I’m not the problem, it’s just that everyone is stupid except for me.

    ....and when they finally get that hammer blow of a wake-up call, what do they do? They throw a fucking fit and refuse to take the “L”. Sound familiar?

    I wonder how many strokes he’s had.
     
  7. Aetius

    Aetius
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    832
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    9,023
    Trump is very good at what he does, unfortunately what he does is not "be president." What he does is get eyeballs, engage the limbic system of those eyeballs, and generate tribal responses. It's literally a recipe for divisiveness, and actually governing isn't even in the equation.
     
  8. Kubla Kahn

    Kubla Kahn
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    729
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    11,507
    Yeah he has one mode that works so well in the current outrage culture and it cuts both ways. Target divisive subjects his Fox News base likes, work them up, piss off the opposition endlessly while doing so. The guy comes off as way too compulsive to actually be using 4d chess. I agree with Aetius and that his focus is entirely set up getting emotional reactions out of people, not governing in a real sense.
     
  9. ODEN

    ODEN
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    152
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Messages:
    1,357
    Still though, in case you forgot, he is doing exactly what the Rs want: Adding conservatives to the bench, cutting corporate taxes, removing the Obamacare tax, rolling back EPA rules, steadily working towards more conflict to keep the aerospace/military industry happy (though this is actually both parties at this point), etc. Rs have exactly what they want. The ends justify the means.

    Nothing in terms of anyone's rights have changed at all, it's just people's perception that has.
     
  10. Kampf Trinker

    Kampf Trinker
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    324
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,690
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Not yet, but there are a couple caveats on that.

    First, transgenders serving in the military. Pending the report they might not be allowed to serve. There's the bathroom issue too, but that the whole thing is so pointless and stupid I'm shocked people seriously give that much of a shit one way or the other.

    Secondly, abortions after 20 weeks. It has already passed in the house. Not sure where the senate is at on it for the moment. I'm actually in favor of this. You have almost 5 months to make up your mind. Getting an abortion beyond that time frame without a sound medical reason is kind of fucked up. People screaming "IT'S MY BODY!!!!" with regards to insisting on the right to have an abortion 7 months in is fucking insane. I think the main concern over this is the whole "It's a slippery slope" argument though.

    The rest of it, like he's out to get the Jews, the blacks, the whatevers is mostly people being stupid, but these are the same people who thought they were oh so oppressed when Obama was in office. Of course they think they're doubly victims now that Trump is in office.
     
  11. Frebis

    Frebis
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    344
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    2,516
    I would be too, if not for the fact that you get the scan at twenty weeks that tells you if the baby is deformed, or is missing any organs, etc.
     
  12. xrayvision

    xrayvision
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    525
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,417
    Location:
    Hyewston
    It’s a dirty ploy by the gop to continue to force women to do their bidding. Additionally, a lot women don’t know they are pregnant for sure until almost 2 months or so into pregnancy. If maybe they had an inkling of medical knowledge in this field, I would consider listening to their opinion, but they don’t. And until they start giving a shit about actual living people who have rights, they can fuck right off with trying to ban abortions.
     
  13. Kampf Trinker

    Kampf Trinker
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    324
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,690
    Location:
    Minnesota
    The ban would be for time periods way, way after what you're talking about.

    Why can't people just accept that they're against abortion? Why does it always have to be this bullshit? Also, forget about convincing the big bad white men, there's more women that are anti-abortion than men.

    I know it makes exceptions for when the mother's life is threatened. I'm not sure it includes exceptions for cases like what you're talking about it. Being that it's the GOP I'm going to guess it doesn't. I generally hate the GOP when it comes to abortion, but if a bill gets signed into law along these lines that makes the appropriate exceptions(like the example you're talking about) I feel like people can fuck off with their bitching about it.
     
  14. xrayvision

    xrayvision
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    525
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,417
    Location:
    Hyewston
    I’m also against abortion and wouldn’t personally want to have my significant other have one, but where I differ is that I don’t think it’s my place to tell others what to do, or legislate that.
     
  15. Gravy

    Gravy
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    256
    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2012
    Messages:
    1,715
    Location:
    The void.
    If the GOP writ large is truly against abortion plain and simple, why don't they support initiatives like proper sex education in schools and free birth control for anyone who wants it?
     
  16. Juice

    Juice
    Expand Collapse
    Moderately Gender Fluid

    Reputation:
    1,450
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    13,953
    Location:
    Boston
    Bingo. I am generally against abortion aside from mitigating circumstances already mentioned, but there needs to be a give with the take. The "give" should be having universally free birth control, sex education that doesnt include abstinence, and investment in very early pregnancy detection-related medical technology. If they really wanted stop abortions, they should provide enough alternative solutions to the point where they just arent needed.
     
  17. jdoogie

    jdoogie
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    432
    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2009
    Messages:
    2,138
    Location:
    Columbus Ohio
    So, you know that the two leading items that lead to well documented reductions in the number of abortions across all factors is readily available contraceptives and more science-backed sexual education... Also two things that Republicans seem to also be overwhelmingly against expansion of. If they were to come out and say 'Yeah, I'm against abortion of any kind and will support whatever initiatives we can take to reduce those numbers.' then maybe I'd believe that. But to constantly say you're against abortion as well as any efforts to somehow otherwise curb those numbers simply beyond 'mah bible says it's icky' tells me it's all about control.
     
  18. Kubla Kahn

    Kubla Kahn
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    729
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    11,507
    Yeah the hardliners fuck it up for everyone, insisting on abstinence only sex Ed as the one and only answer to abortions is retarded. I honestly don't know how you ever find a middle ground as heated as the topic is.
     
  19. Kampf Trinker

    Kampf Trinker
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    324
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,690
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Neither do I, but at 8 months into a pregnancy without a medical reason? That's the point where I say you've had enough time to make up your mind.

    I think a good chunk of the GOP is ok with birth control (although some are not) but outside of the "only sex for procreation" nutters, the abstinence preaching is where they get really loony.

    Birth Control should be free, but that goes back to the whole healthcare debate...
     
  20. xrayvision

    xrayvision
    Expand Collapse
    Emotionally Jaded

    Reputation:
    525
    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    6,417
    Location:
    Hyewston
    I agree about 8 months in, but that’s a straw man. The only time I’ve seen a termination take place that far in, is when the mother was poor and had nonexistent prenatal care, never had ultrasounds up until that far in and the fetus didn’t have a proper head. Had no chance of living.

    It’s these types of circumstances that people rarely think about that make me reluctant to try and dictate abortion law.