But he will. Just not in the way most people think. Ok, let's think this through. Let's say Trump gets elected, which is certainly a possibility. Contrary to your post, Trump has not really stuck to any consistent policies other than building a wall. Keep in mind, I don't think most Trump supporters are racists, etc. I think most of them - like Sanders supporters, myself included - want significant change. So Trump is in. He has burned every bridge with the Republican party. I think he will be an absentee President. Sure, he'll show up for the photo ops, but the actual running the country will be left to cronies, who will change constantly. Thus, the normal framework for, you know, governing the country, will be missing. Fast forward 4 years. Nothing will have changed for a lot of reasons, with plenty of blame to go around. You think this election is a clusterfuck? Either way, wait 4 years. The only way we avoid what could potentially be mass protest and revolution - and no, I'm not being facetious, is if things significantly change in the next four years. Unfortunately, I don't see either candidate being able to actually pull that off, so in a way, yes, Trump will destroy the country (again, not being facetious) but because he will quickly realize that he can't do the shit that he says he can do - due to Congress, - and he'll be a lame duck about a year in. The people that voted for him and against him will point to this as not significant change, and they will then want even more drastic candidates. It's going to get scary.
If people think his first hundred days in office promises are going to happen, that's obviously bullshit. If republicans are going to spend the next four years obstructing their own party's president I'm ok with it to be honest with you. Let the party explode. Well, arming foreign rebels won't happen so there's that. The trade policies are popular on both the left and right, and while our government is corrupt, the congressman do give a shit about holding onto their seats so I think he has a real chance there. The anti-corruption policies are popular, but I don't know about his realistic chances of instituting them. We'll probably get paid maternity leave whether Trump or Clinton wins. There won't be any silly new gun laws because the republican establishment won't vote for it and he'll veto anything the dems push through. Obamacare might get repealed because it is dropping in popularity and the entire republican establishment will push for it. This one makes me a tad nervous because I'm fine with repealing it, but not until another plan is ready to go. I think there's a good chance we start pulling bases out of some foreign countries, especially with the EU nations bolstering their military. The nonsensical Syrian refugee plan won't happen. I'm sure he'll be more like the hope and change of Obama(in terms of the amount of platform accomplishment) than a radical reformation of government, but I don't think we're going to spend 4 years looking at an empty office.
Clinton just can't catch a break. The timing of these investigations is hilarious, but fuck her. You made your bed, fucking lie in it.
Very fair points. His supporters wanted someone who could get done what they thought were weak kneed Republicans losing at (See Kim Davis and her supporters as an example). They want someone to enforce their values and by and large he won't get it done. They will get worse before getting better. Also, if Hillary wins hardline republicans are already banging the impeachment drum. Funny, as her supposed infractions are actually very legitimately concerning from a legal and political perspective, much more so than obstruction of justice concerning blowjobs and cigar play. The Repubicans at the national level have worn out their political capital on Clinton and it will just be so divisive it depressing. Im so burned out on all of this shit I hope the dems take the senate just to forego this shit on the American people. Shit is so bleak.
Precedent says that impeachment is reserved for crimes committed while in office. Although congress can basically vote to do anything they want, it's highly unlikely that they would go against history to impeach Hillary for something she did before. Winning the election basically nullifies the impeachment argument, because the people will have said that she is fit for office, assuming she wins.
Yea but these are republicans. There's also no precedent for them to have not even held a hearing for Merrick Garland, but that didn't matter. I have been given no reason to think they will let up on the policy of obstructionism. They treated the black guy like shit for 8 years. Now, it's the woman's turn. Even McConnel was caught saying in the very beginning that nothing Obama wants to do will pass. Why should Hillary get treated any better?
She'll commit crimes while she's president too. She did it as a senator, she did it during her entire tenure as secretary of state. They've already set up $66 million in speaking fees. There will be plenty more. It's not that I can't forgive anything, but it's just one act of corruption after another with her. I don't think she'll get impeached. We'll instead have another 4 years of dysfunctional government. If Hillary wins the republicans will go all out trying to obstruct her sensible measures. If Trump wins the democrats will try to spin most good measures into something xenophobic or evil, no matter how ridiculous, and their base will be stupid enough to buy it. Whoever wins there is some corruption/unimaginably stupid ideas that should worry everyone. This country is in rough shape. There is a world of difference between Obama and Hillary. Obama was labeled with every conspiracy theory under the sun, but it was 95% bullshit. The stuff with Hillary is real and that's why we'll go from annoying obstructionism to constant investigation.
Wouldn't Obama just pardon her before he leaves office, anyway? I'm not sure how the Presidential pardon works - can it be a blanket or preemptive pardon?
They can do blanket pardons. A president can't pardon in events of impeachment, but I'm not sure if that only applies to their own impeachment or future impeachments of other presidents. That might end up going over to the supreme court. If she did get impeached Tim Kaine would just immediately pardon her for all crimes anyway so she'll never go to prison. I don't think any of this is likely, but what a fucking joke that people are even obligated to talk about it.
What I would like to see explored is Senate expulsions if they actually continue to refuse to even grant a hearing to a Supreme Court nominee for another year. There is no formal impeachment for Senators, but it is insane to me that some are already literally telling people they won't do their job. I mean how hard is it to grant the guy a hearing and vote him down? So fine, at least then you've done your job according to the Constitution, it won't stop obstructionism, but at least these guys would be doing the absolute bare minimum under their job description.
No kidding. It's a fucking embarrassment. How do you kick out half the senate though? If the dems take it back, maybe they can pass a bill that mandates a hearing within a certain time frame, and kicks out any loop holes. I hadn't really thought about this because I kept thinking of faithless electors going against Trump and thinking Oh shit, if that costs him the election we're really going to see violence. But a lot of the democratic party despises their nominee as well, and if we do get faithless electors they'll probably be like that guy and just throw away their electoral point instead of going to the other side. Given how close the election is, it could send the election to the house. Trump has Utah all but locked up so this is more likely than the McMullin scenario now. Well, actually I can't gauge how likely this is at all. I'm thinking if Clinton storms out ahead early they won't bother, but if it's close enough deep into the count we might see some shenanigans on the west coast.
That's interesting. I personally think the US should spend more time hacking potential foreign adversaries. It seems like this is becoming norm these days.
All the people who threaten to leave the US if Trump wins say they're moving to Canada. It's never Mexico. Just sayin'.
I'd be surprised if Hillary doesn't order that done as her first official act as a shot across Russia's bow for fucking with our election.
I haven't looked into it but what is the Republican's basis for not just voting him down? Is there some procedural number limit they are afraid of losing if they hold hearing in the first place? Im kind of in between on the Supreme Court nominee. I get Republicans not wanting to tip the court balance in the Dems favor since there really is no recourse to the courts decision for what could be decades. On the other hand the long game they are playing going this route will only erode their credibility with your average frustrated middle of the road voter they'd need to ever win the presidency.
I think we've talked about it before but at somepoint you think they'd weigh confirming him as he is a centrist as will be nominated by Obama before Hillary could take office.
Not to mention no one questioned their track record until Hillary started all of this, and in spite of the democrats blathering about explosive evidence have still yet to produce anything. Well, if you have to choose... Canada, as your well meaning neighbor I'm telling you this for your own good. You need a wall. We should probably wall the whole thing off. America's raging id has taken the wheel.
So far the only people fucking with our election that we have concrete evidence for is Hillary and the DNC. These are also the people blaming Russia for fucking with our election. Just saying. With the election only two days out I'd like to up the terror level.