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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    Its not a tactful thing to say and yeah, he's a buffoon, but can you honestly not tell the context in which it was said?
     
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    I'm aware of the context I believe he's speaking in, but I'd like to hear what context you think makes this excusable.
     
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    Not even a decade ago “Lipstick on a pig” made half your country jump out of its fucking skin.
     
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    Binders full of women!
     
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    True. Another “ohhhhhh, just sit down and shut the fuck up” moment in being fake-offended. It was so hilarious how people went off about it.

    You see, your leaders don’t realize what they could get away with if they simply spoke with a UK accent. The other day I watched an old interview of Sean Connery telling Barbara Walters it’s necessary to go upside on a woman’s head now and then to keep them in check, and to this day women will still line up to gargle his privates.

    Our first prime minister was a drunk asshole who constantly humiliated himself in public, but he was Scottish. Which helped him get re-elected six times.
     
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    Well it was an idiotic joke and excusable or not (its not), I dont think it warrants a revolt as you alluded to, or maybe I misread your post? The best course to go against Trump is just to flood Congress with Bluecoats in November and cripple his ability to do anything. But then again, thats obstructionism, or so I've heard.

    The cake will always go to Rob Ford. That guy was a gift to late night comedy. Arguably one of Jon Stewarts best bits:

     
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    I’ll excuse it. It’s Trump marketing to his lowest common denominator base, something he’s done since well before the election. Empty words that move the needle for his voters. All politicians do it in one form or another. After all the teeth knashing about every single sentence out of his mouth he’s still quite restrained by the checks and balances embedded in our government to actually pull off any of the apocalyptic dictatorial stuff the left has nervous breakdowns over on a near daily basis.
     
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    That's kinda my point. He does absolutely nothing but play to his base in a way no president ever has. He openly serves as a President for those who voted for him, and an enemy for those who didn't. This is part of a larger trend of Republicans treating the barest of legislative majorities as huge electoral mandates. There is currently a movement afoot to call a convention of states the second they get control of the required number of state legislatures, treating a "majority of majorities" as if it were equivalent to an actual majority. This power is built on quirks in the system, some natural (we have winner take all elections; the Senate gives disproportionate power to Republicans because of where the state lines are) and some artificial (Republicans have gerrymandered the fuck out of every state they possibly could), and without them Republicans wouldn't even be a majority, much less in total control. And yet they keep pushing, they keep giving more reason to the rest of America to question the legitimacy of these "quirks," at the same time they attack the legitimacy of the system as a whole. The gap between the adherence to the letter of the law they expect from us, vs the disregard for the spirit of the law they display themselves, is growing far too wide to be sustainable.
     
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    Are you talking about an Article V Convention? It’s never happened before (would be interesting if it did, though).

    It’s also worth noting that it’s not the same as a Constitutional Convention. Article V only allows the majority legislatures to propose changes to the Constitution, not actually make them. For a Constitutional Convention you need 38/50 to make the changes. Republicans control over 30 legislatures, almost 3 times the number needed to just block the Convention.
     
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    Yes. There was an official bill signing and everything.
     
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    Yep: https://conventionofstates.com/

    You can call the convention with 34 states, and pass the amendments with 38. With the Republican strategy of "move as soon as you have the votes," that requires the representatives of a mere 38% of the electorate in order to completely overhaul the constitution. Less if the state legislatures in question are successfully gerrymandered. Amending the constitution is deliberately difficult, and the high barrier both in the standard process and the convention of states process is designed to ensure there is overwhelming support for the change(s) before they are passed. The Republicans are pursuing a policy that, by taking advantage of how the electorate is sliced, would make those changes with a bare majority, or even a minority, of support among voters.
     
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    Funny how you frame this as the ultimate in evil usurpation of power. I listen to Mark Levin who is helping spearhead the movement. It’s funny in the sense that he frames it under basic conservative views. A balanced budget amendment, repealing the direct election of senators as the framers didn’t intend them to be voted on directly, that’s what the House of Representatives is directly elected for.(Senators were chosen by state legislators originally to serve the intrest of the state as a whole governing body)and so forth. You sound like a prosecutor claiming a jay walking ticket is actually 1st degree murder.
     
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    Oh God this explains so much.
     
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    His point is that even if they are “basic conservative views” those views aren’t held by roughly 50% of the people in this country.

    But yes, Mark Levin sure sounds like a reasonable gentleman.

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    Don’t worry I’m sure we’ve written off each other’s views well before this little revelation.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...19ca88-0b55-11e8-8b0d-891602206fb7_story.html

    I can't tell if he's stupid enough to think tanks rolling through the streets of DC would be a "unifying moment" or if he actually wants the division this would sow.
     
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    I would rather them on parade here than being uninvited guests in over 100 countries, bringing everyone else "democracy" for a change. We might save some money in the process as well.
     
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    Did I miss something? What indication is there that fewer troops are being deployed overseas?