https://www.motherjones.com/politic...-silence-in-the-history-of-us-social-protest/ God damn, that's powerful. I was just beginning high school when Columbine happened, and the ensuing "solutions", fear and police presence stained the entire experience. Here we sit twenty years later, and nothing has changed...in fact it's worse. I think that is something that will be tapped into pretty soon. The burden of finding a solution to this problem might be placed on the people who feel so strongly about keeping their guns pretty soon. This whole "single-issue voter" strategy when it comes to gun laws might also bite the Republicans in the ass, thanks to a bunch of y'know...kids who've been shot at. Time will tell, but...yeah, this isn't going away.
I hope it doesn’t go away. I hope there are qualifying courses and mandatory firearm training with a very low pass rate in order to own a firearm in the US. But I also own two AR-type rifles, both for hunting, and I’m a thousand percent convinced they are the best platforms for the intended uses. So gun control has to walk a fine line. I bought my most recent rifle, a 308 AR, and fortunately they did a background, checked that my fingerprinting was on the database (I work in schools so it is readily available), and even verified the authenticity of my concealed carry license. But that isn’t the norm. I’ve also bought a pistol at a gun show (just best prices at those shows) and they took cash and didn’t do any background and I was a legal owner in less than 20 min. It scared me how quickly that transaction happened. I know a lot of hunters, and even more people who carry out of an abundance of caution. There isn’t a single one of us who would oppose more strict procedures to obtain a firearm. We’d all take the necessary measures to justify our right. But I know for certain that all of us would heavily oppose any measure on our right to obtain such a firearm.
Gee I bet we all wish we could get famous off our friends getting killed like this bitch has, but no, it’s not worse, it’s better. Gun violence is lower than it has almost ever been, period. And demanding action then saying, “But you go figure out a solution to something we think is a problem,” is the laziest form of activism this side of declaring 1 like = 1 prayed on social media. Nothing will be tapped into and nothing will really change. And any attempt to do something like ban guns may actually trigger a real revolution. And not the “I’m going to go post my bullshit on social media” kind.
This is another point I do agree with the left on, The NRA is to powerful. I cancelled my lifetime membership when they fought tooth and nail against a law in TN that would hold a gun owner responsible if a child got ahold of an unsecured gun and killed someone. Some 10 year old kid got pissed off the neighbor wouldn't let him play with their puppy, grabbed daddy's unsecured shot gun and killed her. Yes, I think the parent is culpable in that situation. If you have guns, secure them and educate your children about them. As far as all this nonsense about gun control: We have plenty of laws on the books, how about we enforce those before enacting more laws that punish only law abiding gun owners. The shooting at the school in Florida was fortold to the local, state and federal government and they all dropped the ball. And now these kids are calling for more government involvement and laws? Instead of calling for new laws that punish law abiding gun owners, how about calling out the government to do their job?
Just an unsolicited recommendation. When you start off calling a 17 year old "this bitch" most people won't read anything past that point. And do you have any statistics for "gun violence is lower than it has almost ever been, period" (also, what does that sentence even mean?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/ Those numbers show gun homicides peaked in the early 1990's and have stabilized back to similar levels from the 70's and 80's.
Is this the only instance where this should be the case? Or could you make this same argument about blaming Muslims for the behavior of ISIS? Otherwise, what is this saying: "Gun Owners, find a solution or........." Or what? What are you going to do High school child? Are you going to rescind the Second Amendment? Are you going to confiscate guns from gun owners? I really don't know what the solution to school shootings is. I think it is a more complex problem than guns, you already aren't allowed to bring them to school, it's illegal. While I understand children's concerns, any law they put forward won't change anything. This type of behavior is relatively new in our society and it stems from somewhere else other than firearms. I just know one thing, thank goodness high school kids haven't figured out pressure cooker bombs or suicide vests yet.
Well, there's also most other things that we use. Pharmaceutical companies had to put child proof tops on medicines and other changes to packaging. Car companies have to put numerous safety features on cars They don't really have to figure out the guns. They're sold pre-assembled.
Have you ever shot a gun? I ask that because I just let my inlaw try out my 5.56 hunting rifle (yes it’s an AR) and he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. And I don’t think that experience is exceptional. I’d much rather go up against an untrained “white male angsty teen with an AR” as all these school shooters seem to be, than a trained person with even a .22. Just because a gun can shoot, doesn’t mean the shooter can. I think, sadly, what’s lost in all this, is how slow the reaction time is of the PD or anyone else who can stop them. THAT should be the focus. Solving reaction time will make a real impact and save lives. But of course, the low hanging fruit is just curtailing the black rifles. I can paint my semi-auto shot gun any color. Doesn’t prevent me from reloading it quickly.
Twice about six years ago. It was basically a throwaway comment in response to the pressure cookers and suicide vets. You're not going to get an argument from me that much of the debate is focused on the wrong things. The majority of gun deaths are from handguns and not mass casualty events using AR style rifles (ignore the word choice, you know what I'm referring to). Those are just the ones that make headlines. Take a look at the chart below and tell me it's not something that is worth looking into. These stats are from 2010 but the general trend is similar. The US has a much higher firearm death rate than any other country. Can we agree that's a problem worth examining? If not then there is no point in even having a discussion. So since every recommendation that comes from a "non gun" person gets shot down, what are we missing? What's the better idea? Accidentally clipped the top of the chart. These are death rates per 100,000 people.
Gun violence lower than it was in the 1990's? Sure. Mass shootings and school shootings? Lower than ever? Are you sure about that? https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-rel...ers-support-stronger-gun-safety-policies.html https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/gun-control-vegas-polls-243647 The majority of Americans are in favor of stricter gun control laws, and it seems pretty consistent. What I was trying to say is the argument may shift from "Why should I give up my access to guns?" to "Why do you need guns?" My other point is things are always changing. Think of the perception of the NRA between my grandfather's age, my father's and mine...they went from a sort of sportsman's friend to a ridiculous lobbying group advocating for silly shit like arming teachers. People will respond to a bunch of crying, shot-at kids much more strongly, especially for those of us that grew up and were in school between Columbine, Virginia Tech, etc. Yes, they are high school children. But I can imagine a lot of adults remember where they were during their school days when they learned it happened again... I suppose the realistic solution is to look to the states and mayors for common sense, enforceable laws that can be adapted to work at the federal level. Also, relevant:
Then don’t read it. If she’s putting herself out there for a cause, she gets the criticism that comes with it. No white knighting/ righteous indignation on her behalf needed. I’m guessing she’s being manipulated, but hey, fame right? As far as what that sentence means, we’ll trend analysis is a thing. Here’s two links, of many: https://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/publish/news/newsroom/9562 https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/us/study-gun-homicide/index.html Most gun-related crime stats include suicides, which make up a huge chunk of the instances. https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/...e-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/ Most gun owners also support better, consistent gun laws. Unfortunately the proposals and knee-jerk legislation passed by various states are idiotic and don’t instill confidence that 1) people know what they’re talking about and 2) actually care about making a meaningful change. There really isn’t much more to say on the issue. It always circles back to, “Okay you want a change in something, what do you think should happen?” The response is, “I don’t know, I want something but you figure it out.”
I honestly believe strengthening Gun Removal Protection Order laws is a more concise answer to the issue. Something that could cut at the heart of suicide rates too. As hardline as I can be the realization that never giving an inch will eventually lead to gun control supporters flipping the checker board at some point when they are inevitably back in control of all three branches. It's a more rational answer than blanket bans which have become basically pure political theater at this point.
So how to you feel about tightening the process of getting a firearm? Requiring safety and range training and a license, and having to renew that every 2 years (just picking a number) with a certain amount of training hours per year? Licensing requires me to have 36 hours of training per year to be a teacher. As well as a background check and fingerprinting before I can become one, and it's done again every 2 years. There's also about 36 (or more, depending on the person's circumstances) licensing-required hours of training people have to undergo before even setting foot in a classroom, nevermind the further mandates each school system sets. Meanwhile, I can and have walked into an Academy and 30 min later walked out with a handgun.
It was crass, but one, because she's a teen doesn't make her immune to rebuke or criticism, two, these kids have been the opposite of respectful or dignified with their langauge and rhetoric why should we show them the any deference in return? I don't think placing burdensome restrictions on a constitutional right. It would amount to a poll tax, time and money for certification would overly burden the poor. Ergo, it's racist. On this particular point I'd defer back to the price of living in a free society. We have only a simple age requirement for alcohol despite staggering societal cost. I also don't think training and certs will stem the flow of gun homicides in any appreciable way (as something like 80 percent of gun homicides are related to criminal enterprises like gangs and crime related, drug dealing and so forth), probably would help with suicides though. I'd be more in favor of UBCs as a similar solution that isn't as burdensome, then again that'd mean gun control advocates given something on their end like national reciprocity. I honestly think, again, revamping NICS and making reporting mandatory of all states with strengthened Emergency Gun Removal Orders laws would be the best route.
Whenever a youth issue pops up nowadays, so do the shameless famewhores— which she is 100% one of. Families of the dead kids are TELLING her to shut up and stop pimping their names. People are far too impulsive at picking their leaders and heroes these days. They constantly get sucked in by these 15 Minute fucktards who use the appropriate buzzwords. At least she didn’t pretend to build a clock.
It's weird to me how often, here and in other conservative spaces for conversation, liberal values are discredited as disingenuous. Activists aren't fighting for causes they care about, they're just trying to get famous. More people aren't voting Democrat, there's rampant voter fraud. Massive protests aren't representative of issues people want change on, they're paid for. People aren't identifying as liberal because they arrived at that conclusion from their own thoughts and values and experiences, they're believing what they're told to believe. People aren't voting for the candidate they think is going to fight for things that will make their lives better, they're just voting with a herd mentality. It's not even a matter of "I think that set of values and beliefs is worse than mine" it's "I don't think that set of values and beliefs even exists."
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...l-infringes-on-students-constitutional-rights This is rather instructive of the opinion put forward regarding guns. The simpler solution is to take guns away than have kids carry transparent backpacks in the liberal champion mind. I'm not saying every liberal stance put forward is foolish and uninformed but in this instance, how am I supposed to take the face of this campaign seriously? You are a student for 12 years, being subjected to invasion of your backpack privacy - disregarding the invasion of privacy visited on you by the device in your hand that you insta-the-fuck-out with shows you don't understand anything for which you talk about if a see-through backpack is a problem. Then to step forward and state that nobody needs guns and your hobby shouldn't be able to kill me without any foundational knowledge of the Second Amendment or clearly the basis upon which this country was founded creates a real credibility problem for you.