I think they should try it and see what happens. If he pardons people and makes any changes related to prison reform then that would be great. I just don’t have that much faith that he’s doing anything other than trying to pay lip service to these issues. I genuinely hope I’m wrong because if you go through the numbers of people we have in prison and why many are there it’s disgraceful. So whoever fixes the problem more power to them, but his history leads me to believe otherwise.
So with that he either flips on what he knows to Mueller, or he does a Life sentence in the cowboy hotel. Time to start snitching, douchenozzle.
He's doing life either way. Indications are that Manafort doesn't have any information Mueller hasn't gotten another way, and Mueller is just burying him under the jail instead of trying to flip him.
Love this move by trump. Put up or shut up basically. I've always maintained that I agree with their right to protest, I just disagree with what they're protesting. I'm curious to see how many people actually take him up on this offer, or if everyone just keeps using the NFL to grandstand and virtue signal.
The responses from the far right and the far left have been very telling. The far right is screeching that it's horrible that he caved to people disrespecting the flag, the far left has been yelling that he's grandstanding and ignoring the issue. It seems to me that he's found a reasonable middle ground to start working on a complex, multi-tiered issue. It kind of proves the old adage "You can't please everyone" and that there's some people you just can't please at all.
I still don't understand how kneeling is disrespecting the flag. You take a knee when you pray. You take a knee in sports when someone is injured, as a sign of respect. If someone took a knee during the Anthem, and there wasn't this protest thing attached to it, would people think that they were being disrespectful to the flag by taking that knee? I don't like to give trump credit for anything but I think this gesture is hilarious and awesome. It's the perfect call out. Like ok, you think there's an issue? Show me where there is one and I'll fix it. And no one is gonna take him up on it. Watch. He's calling their bluff and no one will give an inch on this. It's all about identity politics and being "right" in the end.
I'm sure much of it is upbringing. My generation was raised to respect the flag by standing, saluting, taking your hat off, etc... No matter how much someone else tells you they're not disrespecting the flag by their actions, some of us were raised to believe those actions are disrespectful. Picture this: You go out to dinner with your family and your waiter walks up to the table, clicks his heels and gives a Nazi salute. Like any normal person, you'd probably be upset. Then the waiter tells you "It's cool bro, it's a Roman salute. Not Nazi at all." Would you then change your mind and think everything is ok? As far as the players right to protest, I agree they have every right to protest....on their own time. You work as an administrator for a school right? How would you react to one of your employees marching in front of the school, while being paid and as a representative of your school, protesting that NAMBLA should be heard? I'm guessing this employee's actions would have a negative financial impact on the school. Would you support his right to protest on company time, on company grounds, and as a representative of your business? And that's where the whole problem lies. So many people have their head up their own ass in identity politics that they won't even entertain an idea from the other side. They'd rather watch the world burn then compromise.
Don’t be a jackass. If an NFL player was protesting for NAMBLA they would also be fired on the spot. The fact that you would equate black people issues with a pedophile is a bit odd in its self. I work for a company that allows me to do what I want as long as I get my job done. Kneeling during the national anthem doesn’t prevent me from doing my job. It doesn’t prevent NFL players from doing their job.
So you only support protesting during work for causes you agree with? I thought this was about equal rights...if A is allowed to protest during work, shouldn't B allowed to protest during work?
This is where I think both sides are doing a lot of grandstanding. I'm pretty sure in different context you've said something along the lines of "just because you're offended by something I do doesn't make it offensive" You'd be upset at a Nazi salute because it's a symbol of an oppressive regime that systematically murdered over 11 million people. I don't know of any regime that used kneeling as their symbol so the metaphor doesn't really work.
That's kind of what I'm saying. Except in reverse. I'm saying that if you find something I do offensive and I tell you "It's not offensive" and give you reasons why it's not offensive to me it probably doesn't make it any less offensive to you. And visa versa. You're trying to throw straw man argument in with the 11 million murdered people thing. I think we can all agree Nazis are assholes.
I get what you're saying. And in a perfect world the response would be "well how about I stop kneeling and sit down and have a discussion about the issues that pushed me to kneel in order to draw attention to this cause" Which I guess you can say is what Trump is doing now, just having called the same people sons of bitches and saying they should leave the country recently would understandably give people pause about it being productive. But, you can only work with the people who are there so I would say might as well try it. If it works then great, and if it doesn't you tried. As for the straw man didn't mean it that way. Just meant that I didn't agree with your comparing those two because there is a specific entity associated with doing that as opposed to kneeling
Well, it is reform that we really need. We have a system built that does little more than make sure people find their way back in. It's hard to imagine Trump, or any republican really tackling that one. I certainly don't think the branch Trump extended is going to evolve into some great humanitarian achievement, but for someone who has been so divisive on this issue, it's at least a nice gesture. I don't know that it has to be disrespectful, but this fad was started by Kaepernick, and he definitely was. Remember, one of his oh so insightful explanations was that there was no difference between the American flag and the confederate flag. I doubt the players are out to insult the military or anything like that. That said, it is a bit of a fuck you to everyone at home when they go to London and kneel during the anthem. We have a well established tradition of standing for the anthem, so it's not terribly surprising a lot of people take their actions as an insult. I will say the one enjoyable thing to come out of this circus has been watching the people who flip the fuck out so far beyond anything that a sane person would consider warranted. Regardless of how many uncles or cousins died in such and such war, I really can't fathom how some people can get that mad about it.
You can't make this shit up. Dennis Rodman will be joining the Trump/Kim Jong Un summit. With all due respect WAPO, it's pretty fucking strange. I really don't know how I would feel about Dennis Rodman brokering what would arguably be the most important diplomatic resolution of the 21st century thus far. If it works, I'm in favor of it, I guess. If you turned back the clock five years and wrote a script with some of the stuff that has happened over the last 18 months people would chastise you for being too far fetched.
What, do you doubt the policy of the debonair individual who used to hold press conferences for no reason whatsoever, annulled Carmen Electra the day after he married her and got fired by the Lakers for refusing to wear shoes to practice? And don’t forget “Double Team”. Yeah, go save the fucking earth.
"Donald Trump and Dennis Rodman try to save the world" seems more like a low rent Happymeal comic book from 1996 than reality in 2018. We live in a strange works, folks.
Pictured: how the entire world and most of the US views trump. The person who took that deserves a pulitzer.