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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    America is going to be so great again when John Roberts is an irrelevant liberal vote on the Supreme Court.
     
  2. Nettdata

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    And he's dead.
     
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    Haha you think they have principles. It’s about winning regardless of the means.
     
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    It's going to take a while, on the order of decades, but I just don't see the United States coming back from the road it's on. The division is too deep and there is no legal remedy for it. Any possible fix can be blocked by the very elements it is trying to fix. Unless the demographic timebomb is real and the Republican party literally dies off, it's just going to be increasingly bitter power struggles from here on out.
     
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    This goes for every elected official regardless of party affiliation.
     
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    Exciting times. Especially against the backdrop of record firearms on the street and percentage of firearms ownership levels. We will see who is really in control.
     
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    There are more civilian-owned guns than people in the US according to the WaPo.

    What is the saying, something like "an armed society is a polite society"?

    Not sure it's a bad thing that legal citizens lawfully have guns though.
     
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    I think this is another time where everyone needs to unplug from the news feed for a few days and do something fun that precludes cell phones. Having your blood run hot endlessly isn't good for you.
     
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    Exhibit A:

    The /r/politics subreddit is in full meltdown mode. While funny, some of the posts are pretty scary/unhinged. Not to mention incessant taunting from /r/T_D posters.

    People are d-bags about this crap.
     
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    This relates to a question I've been searching for an answer to for a long time: What did conservatives expect, and what exactly is their end game? They're a (slight) minority party in the country in terms of votes, and yet they rule like they have the Mandate of Heaven. Given how elected Republicans behave, you'd think they have 80-90&% support nationally, instead of <50%. Where do they think this can go other than bad?
     
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    What does bad even mean? They are doing what any “rational” person does, which is act in accordance with their own self-interest, at least they think they are. They have control of all branches, why would they tread lightly?

    The shocking thing won’t be if the Republicans lose in 2018, it’s if they win. The majority of the time, the sitting party in the WH loses the midterm. Both sides know that, so they want to cram their agenda in as fast as possible.
     
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    Because there's a game beyond the game. When you wield this much power with this little support, there's a risk you damage the whole structure.
     
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    Are they doing anything different from what Democrats would do?
     
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    I think they know they have a falling percentage of the population and this is their middle finger on the way out. Sure, there will always be people out there who identify as republican or whatever in certain parts of the country. Maybe they will try to convince themselves through magnificent feats of mental gymnastics that those tax cuts that truly benefitted the top 1% somehow helped them and that the medicaid cuts that will destroy their coverage is really helping them. When they accidentally get pregnant one day and need to explore all of their options, and their state is now able to legally outlaw abortions, they won't care as long as Trump owned the libs.

    All they will have left is their christianity, and it won't save them. But they might sleep better at night knowing their representative told them he/she also believed in the lord also.
     
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    a) Yes
    b) They enjoy structural advantages that the Democrats don't that ensure the Democrats couldn't be in this position in the first place.
     
    #6675 Aetius, Jun 27, 2018
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    I think yes, to some degree. I don't think the dems are so high and mighty and without fault. But I don't think they are out to hurt conservatives and their values as much as it feels like the current GOP is more interested in serving themselves and obeying the rule of law as long as it doesn't involve them. Through gerrymandering and other voter suppression efforts(voter rolls being purged and closing of polling places), its pretty obvious they know their numbers are falling and need to retain their advantage in someway.
     
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    I hope you guys are right but you do recognize that each of your sides view the others behavior as an assault on the others values and that any argument from there just looks like tired semantics from the detached third parties. In any case, I hope the Conservatives are falling off because that means there is something different coming up behind it. I'm not sure either party is going to be pleased with what that is either for different reasons.
     
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    I am the detached third party! I voted third party in 2008 and 2012. Nothing would make me happier than being able to oppose the Democrats on the issues I think they fall woefully short on. But unfortunately the Republican party exists, and thus I am required by civic duty to oppose them above all others lest they tear the whole damn thing down.
     
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    It could be worse.

    Per CNN: In the previous 9 months leading up to this weekend's Mexican presidential election, 132 candidates have been murdered.
     
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    This is why you don't do cocaine like a traitor, you smoke home grown California weed like a patriot.