I feel like they’re advocating for too much, but the idea behind it (we’re a nation of immigrants) is something I agree with. So yeah, I feel like their advocating of removing ICE is a stunt. They’re trying to ask for a lot and hope to settle for what they really want.
I feel it's a more viable idea than it appears on the surface. Given how much money ICE expends per deportation, how far they've strayed from the original mandate of "find dangerous/high-risk individuals residing in the United States illegally" (actual border enforcement is done by CPB), and the fact that they're a relatively new agency anyway, I don't think it'd be out of the question to simply eliminate them and retask the necessary portion of what they were doing to the FBI. ICE at it stands appears to desperately require a justification for its existence, which it has found in rounding up every possibly illegal immigrant it can get its hands on. This is happening at a human and financial cost well outsized to the actual benefit.
If you guys ever decide to start getting rid of one of your MANY useless law agenencies who lie to justify their existence, please start with the DEA. Then move on to sherriff’s departments.
So yesterday in Portland Patriot Prayer held a permitted march and ANTIFA decided to crash the party. They called their anti-protest “Defend PDX: Patriot Prayer’s Violence Must End” rally. And then they proceeded to violently attack the other group. The police eventually declared the whole shindig a riot. This is priceless:
I get the point that it's a relatively new agency, strayed from original intent, etc. I have no faith that the left wouldn't shift to trying to neuter or eliminate the agencies the responsibilities would fall back on. They should really just run a platform for a constitutional amendment, "We shall have open borders."
The left is going to neuter or eliminate the FBI? The only time I hear the phrase "open borders" is from Republicans fear mongering about it (or Libertarians honestly advocating for it because they oppose the State in general). I've not heard any serious Democrat advocate for anything like it. Compare that to the stance of the Republicans where Trump says shit like "You get rid of ICE, you are going to have a country that you’re going to be afraid to walk out of your house." I think it's pretty clear which side is engaging with reality on immigration and which side is not.
Yeah, but they can't. It's what 80% of the base wants, but it's such an idiotic indefensible position no democrat presidential candidate and the majority of senators can't run on it without risking alienating independents and pushing swing voters right. It's kind of like the sanctuary cities situation. There is no rational defense of it at all so it basically amounts to "But we have to because Trump is so bad!" And Trump being Trump has made an absolute mess of implementing his border control policies. I would wish him success in the few positions I support him, but he really seems determined to fuck up everything he touches. The emphasis he has put on "angel victims" of immigrant crime has moved the debate so far away from where it should be. The way the right has tried to justify breaking up families when there is no reason they can't be held together has done plenty of damage as well. I think at some point you have to punish repeat offenders who keep trying to cross the border and get caught, but you don't need to separate their kids, and you can leave the option of sending them to an uncle/cousin/etc south of the border.
Sanctuary city policies are supported by many local police departments because it allows them to interact with immigrant communities in their jurisdictions who would otherwise refuse to talk to police at all. This allows them to get information, witnesses, etc, and lower crime, as is their mandate.
Please, we can go toe to toe on unhinged rhetoric from party leadership any day of the week on immigration. Sanctuary cities as used by the Democratic Party is obviously used to skirt enforcing stricter federal immigration laws what ever minor benefit to local law enforcement.
So it allows them to talk to criminals to catch criminals? I'm sure it does, and certainly some crimes need to be more urgently addressed than others, but it's hardly an appropriate function of a police department to arbitrarily decide that breaking certain laws is ok because it makes some aspect of their job easier. There's a difference between one criminal cutting a deal to get a more lenient sentence as opposed to just outright refusing to prosecute an entire group. That and what Kubla said. The primary purpose of sanctuary cities is obvious enough.
It's not arbitrary, it's not their jurisdiction. Local and state law enforcement enforces local and state laws. Federal law enforcement enforces federal laws. If assisting the feds hampers their ability to succeed at their primary mission, then dropping federal support in favor of prioritizing their primary mandate is what they should do.
Which is interesting because assisting the feds doesn't seem to hamper them so severely when it doesn't conflict with the political beliefs of the region. You're basically saying outright that they should just refuse to work with the feds. Some take it further and say they should make the feds job more difficult, when possible. Like this dipshit mayor. Of course...
Yeah ok, that doesn’t account for local politicians sounding the alarm ahead of when the feds do come in. Sanctuary cities are used by Democrats to thumb their nose at a Republican administration to please their base and pad their numbers. It makes zero sense that immigration status would pursuade people to work with law enforcement when other homogenous ethnic communities still don’t do that. Mexico just elected a Leftist who wants to offload responsibility of dealing with Mexico’s problems to the US and calls migration to the US a human right. Then they turn around send the money right back. It’s a complete joke, I don’t think the Democrats have figured that out yet. But hey, voters. I get that municipalities might not appreciate federal law enforcement stomping around their communities, in some cases like the fucking gestapo. I would prefer a fair warning of 30 days to begin getting a citizenship application going or something along those lines. Anyone convicted of any crime gets deported without question. However, criticism of that would make a lot more sense if there was some localized equivalent of immigration that worked better than the federal policy, but there just isnt one for immigration. Not that we cant demand that improvements should be made, though.
I mean you kinda answered your own question there. Trump has clearly picked immigrants as his scapegoat and is acting as if every abuelita is an MS-13 member. You can see why some people don't want to support that or be subjected to it.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/27/irs-nominee-chuck-rettig-trump-hotel-659313 Is every single person in this entire administration just nakedly corrupt? I mean Jesus Christ already.
Well any normal human being would be impacted by the imagery, but this is a byproduct of the actual problem. Itsmore complicated than just not putting people in cages. There is plenty of documented evidence of gang members crossing the border. 92% of all MS-13 gang members arrested in the US are illegals, with over 50% of those being from El Salvador. In a 9 year period ICE arrested over 4,000 illegals just from MS-13 alone, not counting members from other South American gangs or cartels. Upwards of 80% of women crossing the border are raped. Children are straight up kidnapped. Much of this happens before they cross the US border. Again, its a major cluster-fuck that is compounded by the Mexican government endorsing, if not actively participating in the problem. So yeah, perhaps SOPs need to be updated, and there needs to be some more open discrepancy in process between regular illegals and violent criminals, but its an insanely difficult situation to un-fuck.
God, she’s such a disaster zone. Somebody better balance her meds soon before she goes full Amanda Bynes.
Not that it should be at all in question at this point, but the Senate Intelligence Committee has officially confirmed the ICA regarding Russian meddling.