Elephants and Jackasses...

There has been great talk that Trump's behavior amounts to obstruction, correct? That could be true based on every intelligence agencie's assessment. Also, while I don't appreciate Trumps speaking style he brings up a good point, why wasn't the physical hardware turned over. If you consider other DNC/Clinton operative behavior such as bleaching the server, doesn't that also appear to be obstruction? There I go again, trying to keep track of standards again or whataboutism - as the weakest of weak arguments go.

It will be interesting when the charges Mueller brought against the operatives gets to discovery. I find it highly unlikely that this case makes it to court because the likelihood of exposing intelligence gathering techniques directly to Russians sounds kind of like a bad idea.

So, watching this interview, where is the treason? I had my piano wire ready, I thought it was time to storm the gates and have everyone swinging from the light posts. Unfortunately it appears that the little boy has cried wolf once again.

 

This is the reason that I don't think Trump will be tried / convicted / indicted / impeached or whatever. Not because I don't think he did anything wrong, because I have no idea what the truth is or how the regular public is ever supposed to know what the truth is - but, rather because if this is brought to discovery, Hillary Clinton, some one big at the DNC or even in the Obama administration will also be implicated. Behind the scenes, attorneys will be saying "yeah, you have this, but WE have this." It's disgusting.

I thought the Russians already had all that?

 

The strongest obstruction charge actually only relates to Russia tangentially and is Trump attempting to get Flynn off the hook for lying to the FBI. Of course he's obstructed so much justice I expect there'd be charges related to the wider investigation as well.

 

I don’t need to complain about whataboutism to prove your arguments are horseshit.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m.../missing-servers-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

Either way, you’re not addressing the central problem with what Trump said today.

American citizens were the victims of serious crimes at the behest of Putin. You don't even seem to doubt this and way more importantly neither do Trump's own appointed intelligence people. Instead of condemning the people respobsible and defending those citizens Trump wants to let Putin off the hook and denies that Putin did it.

Why would he do that? Explain to me why it's okay that he do that. Why is he protecting Putin? Why not just say, "yeah these Russians are absolute pricks who did a lot of fucked up things and I won't let it happen again."

I can't think of any satisfactory answers to those questions.

Either way, at the end of the day we have a president who is incapable (for whatever reason) of accurately identifying and reacting to serious national security threats. That should scare everybody. This dude can't wraps his head around Russian hacking. How the fuck do we expect him to wraps his head around problems that are infinitely more complex and less absolute in regards to levels of evidence and proof.

 

Because Obama and Hillary also told lies about stuff. So therefore, all of it is the same and one thing equals the other.

 

I'm not sure how you totally do stop it. I mean, can you really stop a government from flooding comment sections with trolls?

Really though, the core problem of this whole thing is that our government IS full of corrupt pieces of shit. People don't just believe that because Russia told them to believe it. They believe it because it's true.

It really pisses me off that the media spent so little time discussing that side of it. At least a lot of outlets have. I've seen so many fucking articles that were like "Americans no longer trust our institutions. Nobody knows why."

This shit with Russia has been going on since WW2. We do it to them, they do it to us and both throw their hands in the air and act shocked.

 

Call me when a Congressman said "I am introducing articles of impeachment" or a Senator says "I will vote to convict." Until then it's just hot air.

 

Fucking right we do.
https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1018876214554058755?s=19

 

The thing is, with Trump supporters, the sunk costs at this point are through the roof. They decided long ago that they were all in, and nothing he does will ever be bad enough for them to say, “I’m out.” If they can construct an argument where it’s not so much that the goal posts keep moving but that there are no goal posts, they can sit back and tell themselves that they are somehow just in their position.

Meanwhile, one time Obama wore a tan suit, threw a half hearted salute with a cup of coffee in the other hand and Michelle Obama tried to get kids to eat vegetables. So because they can find a way to be mad at black people existing, they can somehow justify their support for Trump.

They treat Hillary Clinton and the email thing like it’s the gravest miscarriage of justice and cling to it like a life raft because they can origami that into justifying what Trump has actually done to this country. “I don’t care that Trump is doing Irreparable harm to this country because thank god that bitch isn’t our president.”

 

I believe the idiom du juor is "His supporters would let him shit in their mouths just to make the liberals smell their breath."

 

I think I look at this Trump situation totally different than most of you.

We collectively have decided to hang our hats on the fact that the intelligence/justice community says Russia did this. The same intelligence/justice community that not a single liberal trusted up until it became convenient for them with this Russia probe. How short are memories? These are the same people that brought us the Ruby Ridge Incident, The Waco Incident, The Iraq War, Spying on the American People, Spying on Congress, Spying on our Allies and the leaks.....oh my god, the leaks. I'll stop there but that only goes back to the 80's, a few decades further back and you have the Shah of Iran incident...we can keep going if necessary.

The point is we were sold out long ago by our own Government for what was convenient or for what was an internal agenda and clearly not in America's best interest. I haven't trusted our Government for a long time and really don't care what they have to say until they start cleaning house. It has been a long road to Trump and I'm still hoping he is able to rip the guts out of our Government and it can start semi-fresh once he is gone. The longer this goes on, the more face the Government loses all the better in my opinion.

Moving forward, frankly I don't care which party does it because I really don't have much connection to either but whoever decides that real reform, not platitudes is the policy of the day will win my support. In the meantime, fuck the whole thing to death.

 

So there is a deep state conspiracy that is preventing trump from putting America first and saving us all?

That sure sounds reasonable. Have Trumps tarriffs had any impact on the price of your tinfoil hats?

 

I don't believe I mentioned a deep state conspiracy in my post or ever. I assume that is the default response you give in these situations? None of those events I names are considered conspiracies. The FBI headquarters is the J. Edgar Hoover building; are you familiar with J. Edgar Hoover? That goes a little further back than my last post but should be instructive of what I am talking about.

By the way, did you happen to read the Politifact link you sent earlier? It stated that they did not get access to the hardware - only a mirror provided by a third party. While it doesn't seem strange that politifact would give an incorrect response to a politically motivated question, it does seems kind of strange that the highest law enforcement organization in the land was unable to gain access to it upon request. What do they usually call non-cooperation with an ongoing investigation again?

 

In order for what you've said about the intelligence agencies to have any meaning or relevance, there has to be a conspiracy you're alleging. The problem with any such conspiracy is that it's so massively unlikely. It would require the FBI, the NSA, and the CIA to all fabricate the same conclusions. It would then require the DNI and the rest of the intelligence agencies to sign onto that conclusion. It would require the DNC, and at least one highly reputable cybersecurity firm to go along with it. It would require those same agencies to maintain their positions despite new, Trump-appointed, leadership. It would require the Senate intelligence committee, which is controlled by Republicans, to sign off on the conspiracy. It would require the Justice department, which is run by Trump's own appointees, to further the conspiracy. It would require a Bob Mueller, himself a Republican, to give up a high salary to come out of retirement in order to fabricate massive amounts of "evidence" in a multiyear special counsel probe, and for all of his deputies to be in on it. It would require said fabricated evidence to be good enough to fool federal judges and grand juries. It would require multiple foreign intelligence services, including the British and the Dutch, to act in furtherance of the conspiracy.

In short it would require believing in the broadest conspiracy of all time, all to avoid having to consider that maybe Donald Trump is, truly against all odds, a narcissist and a lair.