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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

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    She probably wants the FBI to investigate because it is the only nonpartisan body with the resources to do so at this point.

    The senate isn’t trying to find the truth. They are trying to railroad the whole thing. Hence the forced timeline of tomorrow and Monday. Senate testimony is going to be a shitshow. And it’s not about the media. It’s about the senators.

    Also, this whole “two of the three people deny it” thing is kind of dumb because those two people will suffer severe consequences if they say otherwise. And unless they are willing to say it under oath, it doesn’t really matter at the end of the day.

    Meaning until the senate is calling mark judge, kavanaugh’s friend, to testify under oath, the whole senate investigation is a bunch of horseshit.

    She will go testify and be grilled and kavanaugh will go and be grilled by the opposing side.

    She will say he did it, he will say he didn’t. The gop will say it’s all he said, she said and vote to confirm.
     
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    Do you know what the ruling in RoevWade was? It provides the right to have an abortion, and then it starts to get quite vague, and how it is regulated goes back to the states. The court opinion for RoevWade is basically that the state should have little to no interest early in a pregnancy, but the state's interests get stronger throughout a pregnancy.

    Essentially, as the article said -
    If people want to talk about the ethics of stricter regulations on abortion, have at it, but it's a separate conversation and it isn't overturning RoevWade. CNN, being their natural selves are trying very hard to quote mine him to make it sound like his statements and opinions are for overturning the verdict outright, but if you read what he's actually said and wrote that isn't supportable. He isn't trying to ban birth control pills either, or think their abortion inducers.

    I haven't looked into every accusation liberals have made about him, but every time I do they're full of shit. Seriously -

    I don't know man, I'm not really seeing it. Kavanaugh isn't actually that far right on the issue of abortion. Don't get me wrong, he's sure not a liberal. I think politifact gave a pretty fair assessment.

    Oh, fuck off. She came out with the accusation at the last minute. They offered to delay the vote and invited her to testify, and to testify in a format she found suitable. Their offer is perfectly fair. The senate is not there to wait on her at her fucking convenience.
     
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    Lets not be a dick about it. Keep it civil.
     
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    Remind me again how long they waited to confirm a new justice after Scalia died?
     
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    Oh, I know. It would be very nice to see a government again that could at the very least carry out it's most basic duties like adults. Don't hold your breath.
     
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    Appealing to hypocrisy to change their minds is like a shooting a bb gun at freight train. McConnell and the others complaining that the dems need to start acting in a bipartisan fashion with regards to this nominee is only the latest of the near daily examples of blatant hypocrisy. Its just so much that you forget how much it really is.
     
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    If you want to believe that gop senators aren’t manipulating this in every way possible to ensure that 1) they don’t suffer too much politically with women voters 2) they get their dude confirmed, more power to you.

    I don’t know what kind of prep you think goes into these things, but testifying in any of the formats they have chosen is extremely difficult. Kavanaugh has been holed up with teams of lawyers and advisers prepping since this dropped. She is scrambling right now by every indication I have seen.

    Whether you believe her or not, this woman is going up against a machine that intends to destroy her. It’s been what a week? Could we wait another? Sure.

    There’s no harm to the country in slowing this down. The only harm in waiting is to the republican political agenda. If we want to get it right, everyone should be asking to take a breath. If the GOP is so confident that this dude is a stellar amazing Boy Scout, why can’t we wait?

    It’s a lifetime appointment in a crucial moment in American history.

    If they get it wrong president pussy grabber will have nominated an attempted rapist to team up with a sexual harasser, so that they can reshape American legal jurisprudence to curtail women’s healthcare rights.

    They should at least try to improve that equation a little bit. Women are pretty much screwed either way, but it’s salt in the wound to not figure this one out.
     
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    I'm with you. I just think its simply a matter of ramming this guy onto the bench before midterms because there is a real fear of losing the senate in the midterms. If they lose the senate, Trump and the GOP can kiss goodbye any of their hard right nominees for the remainder of his presidency. If they get him on the bench and it hurts them at midterms, it will have been worth it to get someone on there who is antichoice and also might protect Trump from further investigation.
     
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    The funny thing, well, not the funny thing, but if there isn’t an appointment before the midterms, it could be good for Republicans.

    Republicans turned out for trump because Supreme Court seat was at stake. If this guy is sunk, it could increase republican voter turn out and hurt the democrats in November.

    The gop needs something to increase enthusiasm. A scotus seat could do that.
     
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    SHE didn't come out with the accusations at the last minute, Senator Fienstein did. She wrote her senator (Feinstein) at the end of July about the accusations and requested that she be kept anonymous. I think your characterization of this woman as a manipulative political operative is pretty shitty. I also think that a woman being hesitant to sit in front of a group of people (some of who are going to be straight up assholes to her) to talk about a decades old traumatic event without any preparation is a reasonable stance. Why shouldn't the FBI do an investigation and make a recommendation to the committee? I trust the FBI a lot more than biased politicians to substantiate the validity of a claim like this. The Republicans know they have a very limited window to seize as much control over the federal government as they can, and they'll be damned if they're going to let anything stop them.
     
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    I thought of this the minute this story broke. Could really help the republicans with a fired up base.

    Honestly he really should have played the lefts game and chosen based their favorite demos. Nominating that woman or the Indian guy that was floated. Kavenuagh was the more pragmatic conservative choice.
     
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    I won't breathe a sigh of relief until it's over. 538 gives the dems almost an 80% chance of winning the house. That still doesn't make me comfortable.

    Though as laughable as it is, now that Willie Nelson is out doing concerts actively promoting Beto, I give that one a 50/50 chance. I legitimately think Ol' Willie could be the advantage.
     
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    If he wasn't a right wing hack, he wouldn't have been nominated. This is not a political party that looks for thoughtful and independent jurists. You are severely underestimating the decades long project to capture the federal judiciary and use it to ensconce Republican policies.
     
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    She did come out at the last minute. If she didn't like when Feinstein chose to put it out publicly she could have done so anonymously via any number of other mediums. Of course, she chose to not remain anonymous... at the last minute...

    I don't think she's a political operative. Maybe? I wouldn't rule out much for the moment. Mostly this case has just been bizarre.

    I wouldn't want to sit in a room getting drilled with questions about being sexually abused either, but that's what you have to do. If you're going to come forward with an accusation of a crime you're going to be cross examined. Welcome to life.

    Sorry, but I find it really telling with you guys that as soon as she doesn't want to testify before the committee you IMMEDIATELY knee jerk to "fuck republicans, women victims, she shouldn't even want to, etc.".

    What were people posting 2 fucking days ago? Oh right, that the republicans were just going to look the other way and ignore this. So they invite her to testify. Now, they're assholes for that.

    He's one of the ten most qualified judges in the country. I know you don't like him because you abhor anything moderate, or god forbid right of center, but calling him a hack is ridiculous.
     
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    He was a principal author of the Starr report, a member of the legal team that halted the Florida recount in 2000, and a member of the Bush White House. Dude is a straight partisan Republican.
     
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    For the record, I think she should go before the senate and tell her story. If they wanted the FBI or something to investigate, I think that should have been an initial demand. When they called her bluff, she changed her demands. If the testimony is devastating enough, he probably won’t get confirmed. She will get treated like shit by the repubs, but that won’t make them look better. The narrative of them badgering a rape victim won’t look good.
     
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    Were they trying to call a bluff? When I heard they set a date for Monday I honestly thought she was going to go to DC and testify.

    Yeah, or at least open up a full investigation. The senate is 49-51. Not a single democrat will vote to confirm him, obviously. There's more than two republicans from purple states in the senate, and I know this is going to sound a little crazy, but there's more than two that probably wouldn't streamline Kavanaugh through if something turns up to make him look guilty, or if that he has a history of sexual assault. If the whole idea was to just rush the most far right judge through onto the supreme court there's no shortage available that are far less moderate than Kavanaugh.
     
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    I’m highly cynical. I think every person in Washington is generally acting in bad faith. With that said, I felt Ford’s letter and accusation with a demand to be heard was a challenge to the GOP. She didn’t think they would take her up on it, make them look bad, and it would be a huge PR loser for them.
    Possibly tanking the nomination. They said okay, come on in. That’s what I mean by calling her bluff.
     
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    Not to mention he seems to be a religious nut, which goes as well with government and making policy as lava does to grass huts.