Nor should it be incited or promoted by your President. I'm not saying this is the act of a Republican, or that this represents in any way Republican's as a whole, or is in any way condoned by anyone on this board, but I am saying that this act happened in some small part because of Trump's constant bullshit and talk of doing violent acts to "the enemy Democrats". I'm also deeply saddened by the fact that hard-line Republicans can not immediately stand up and say "this is wrong WTF is going on." Instead it's like dragging horses to water... "but they were fake bombs", and all the other bullshit to try and make it this "us vs them" argument and try and downplay what happened. Even in this case of domestic terrorism there is this fucking push back to agree with ANYTHING the other side says. That is so incredibly fucked up... I just don't know what to say. I personally think that you guys are just starting to go down hill right now. You have lost respect for your fellow American, and have truly become divided. You're fucked unless you all get your heads out of your asses and stop acting like the fuckwad screaming heads on your "news" channels and treat each other with some fucking respect. Civil discourse.
I don’t think people should be attacked over politics. I think our political leaders have a responsibility to set an example to not further inflame current tensions and create new ones. Whether you liked or hated Obama, he inserted himself(sometimes wrongly) into situations in an attempt diffuse rising tensions. Primarily between the police and black communities. Influential people have a responsibility to not wield that influence in a way that hurts others. That cannot he said about Trump. He relies on simple, sophomoric phrases, and takes the least educated, most impressionable people and tells them simple, inaccurate explanations for complex problems. They eat that shit up because believing a simple lie is easier than thinking about a nuanced truth. At some point, this was absolutely going to happen. Take a borderline fucking mongoloid who just needs a reason to get worked up, add in some manufactured victimhood and you get this. And they screamed nazis at people who are actual nazis. “Jews will not replace us” and all that. They also screamed nazi at subtle anti-Semitic imagery throughout the campaign.
I think a big part of the problem is that a core part of Trump's message is that control of democratic institutions is not enough. If you look at Obama's speech earlier today, the theme throughout is "go vote. If you vote for Democrats, and give Democrats control of our democratic institutions, we will build a better America." Trump on the other hand, who is the standard bearer of the party that controls all branches and levels of government, is saying "that's not enough. Voting is not enough. You need to do more to stop these enemies of ours." What that more is is left unsaid, but heavily implied.
In case I wasn't clear...this should not be incited by either side. Trumps BS didn't make me vote for him, the BS from the other side did. Hillary saying "We shouldn't be civil", Maxine saying "Get in their faces, let them know we don't want them here", Eric Holder saying "Kick them when they're down" is just as bad as Trump's rhetoric and probably tends to fire up the opposition more then it fires up their base, especially when someone takes their advice to heart and actually does something stupid. This shit needs to stop on both sides.
It's not like there aren't respectful Republicans... hell, this clip from McCain is awesome: People have to be held accountable for what they say... and bullshit has to be and should be called out immediately. Unfortunately, it's something like 25 times the effort to refute something than it is to make shit up... as you've seen with Trump. He has spewed THOUSANDS of lies in the last couple of years. Most recently, with the Saudi Arabian thing? "It's $110 billion dollar deal that will bring in 500k jobs". Uh, no... it's more like $14 billion and maybe a few thousand jobs. But the people at his rallies and his supporters don't fucking care. He just feeds them what they want to hear, and they run with it and don't care. The blatant hypocrisy is crazy. "Hillary and her emails!" "Uhh... what about Trump and his insecure iPhone?" Sarah Huckaby is becoming more and more like my favourite PR person of all time:
I'm just hoping people can unentrench themselves from the whole Us vs Them crap. I hate to be the one to say it, but it's us. Period. Right or left, it's our country. I would hope none of us are hoping for it to fail. We may disagree on some points, but I hope to hell we all are striving for our country to succeed. Rooting for your party to succeed and not acknowledging their own missteps and mistakes while pointing fingers at the other side is not helpful at all.
Folks were screaming "Nazis" and "Literally Hitler" long before Charottesville. They even called Ben Shapiro a Nazi. I'm not really familiar with Ben Shapiro, but I'm pretty confidant in saying he's probably not a Nazi.
It’s definitely been thrown around way too much. It’s used a conversation killer because no one wants to be on the other end of playing the nuance game with white supremacists. Ben Shapiro is orthodox Jewish so he’s definitely not a nazi. He’s just turning into a predictable Fox News like shill. In general though, if the nazis/kkk/white supremacists like you, it’s time to re-evaluate your message. Trump never did that and he barely denounced the message. Like hardly.
Yep, I'm a racist. Nothing racist at all about your post. Jesus man. Is that a response that you commonly refer to as "Acting like the adults in the room"? That's certainly helpful in finding middle ground. between our political differences and not using hyperbole to make points for your team. Is there any other name/accusation you'd like to direct at me to make your point?
I think you misinterpreted his statement... he's not saying "a racist like you", but "if racists admire you" as a general statement, not about you in particular. For instance, in the FL Gubernatorial debates recently Gillum made a similar comment: Start at 2:15 for the full effect.
If the word Nazi is brought up in a sentence and it doesn’t involve humour, I check the time on my watch that I’m not wearing and pretend I have things to do elsewhere. Nazis are gone, long ducking gone. Even the Klan and neo-nazis aren’t like the nazis. Just Ticketmaster is.
I'm a bit split. Throwing around "nazi" definitely happens more frequently than it should, and is a highly abused rhetorical weapon. At the same time, a big piece of "Never Again" is understanding how the nazis came to power in the first place, and identifying such warning signs early. I think the Trump era is sending off a lot of those warning signs. That doesn't mean everyone is a nazi or that we're about to start exterminating minorities, but it is something I think we should look at and say "this doesn't benefit us, and should be stopped now." Trump doesn't have to be Hitler for us to say he is too authoritarian for us to be comfortable with.
As much as I would like to hate on trump right now (because he deserves it), as much as I would like to say that what our national embarrassment of a president at least in part caused all this. As much, and as deservingly as they all should take the blame, as well as everyone who voted for him.... I just... I can’t do it. This was the act of a crazy individual. And I think, if it weren’t trump, it would have been someone or something else who pushed him over the edge. I don’t think we can, or should, blame what this piece of cowshit did on politics. He was gonna be crazy regardless. His criminal history spoke to that. But moving forward, we should all tone it down. Starting with our president. We don’t want any copycats. As much as we made fun of Michelle then, her words ring true now: “when they go low, we go high.”
I agree 100%. We should be on the look out for political divisions that have happened before. Those who don't learn from the past are bound to repeat history. We just disagree on who the Nazis are in this case. Not so much for their beliefs, but their tactics. We need to stop worrying about the other side's position and care more about what helps our country and it's citizens.
And that’s not an unfair criticism and is a point worth exploring; Presidents often overstep their authority. It actually doesn’t really happen all that much on this board, at least not anymore, but the Nazi comparisons are just eyeroll inducing. The conditions that lead to the rise of the NSDAP versus the conditions that lead to Trump are so vastly different that it just become a signal to identify an idiot. Same with any retard that called Obama a Muslim or non-citizen (hey, like Trump did!).
I agree with this but you also said in an earlier post that you really didn’t like Trump but because of the way left wing people were behaving it drove you to vote for him. Based on the fact that I know you are far more rational and level-headed than a lot of Thr marching psychos out there, it still seems like you voted for Trump based on the behavior of lefty cry babies(of which there are many) and not on the issues you know matter to this country.
I honestly don't think Trump's tone or the over all political discourse that is the real issue. I really think social media's impact on our collective psychologies. It's like refined sugars, we weren't wired to take the overload. I don't even really go on twitter which Ive seen is terrible, but Ive seen more and more people without the cover of anonymity on facebook just spewing venom and hate. I don't know how you get that genie back in the bottle or even mitigate it somehow.