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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Juice

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    If both sides stop using the extreme examples of the other as some sort of validation of their greatest concerns rather than outliers, than everyone would get along much better. That feeds pointless distrust and fearmongering. Not every gun owner is on the verge of committing a mass shooting and not every planned parenthood branch is selling body parts.
     
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  3. Aetius

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    Not every gun owner is on the verge of [thing that happened literally yesterday] and not every planned parenthood branch is [conspiracy theory that was fabricated by right wingers to smear PP].

    This is kinda my point.
     
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    I'm really at a loss as to how people can keep claiming this.

    I agree. That is totally insane. I also remember reading about two dozen unsubstantiated conspiracy theories you guys posted about Kavanaugh. MSNBC and CNN have spent months talking about how the white house is filled with white nationalists. When the left protests they shout shit like this -

    And seriously, why the fuck is the left so obsessed with nazis and the KKK? Do they actually think these groups are relevant to the politics at this point? I guess they do, but that's kind of off the rails if you ask me.

    When democrats are polled, 55% of them think Russia changed the vote tallies to get Trump elected.

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    I don't know what you consider "off the rails" but the left has gotten pretty nutty as well from where I'm standing.
     
  5. Juice

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    Sigh. Woosh.
     
  6. Aetius

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    You can't make a comparison between a thing that is real and a thing that isn't and then act like I'm the one who missed the point.
     
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    We have 12 on the ballot, but unfortunately nearly all of them suck. I voted yesterday and ended up voting yes on only two of them. One is to ban Florida politicians from lobbying after they leave office. I don't know how effective that will be, but hey, at least it's something. The other is to let felons vote once they get out of prison. This one was kind of funny because it's been repeated ad nauseam that "this amendment will affect approximately 1.5 million Floridians." That's about 10% of the state population. Good job Florida! Some conservatives are worried that this is going to change Florida from a swing state to a blue state. We'll see. That is a lot of fucking felons.

    For the other races I ended up voting dem on everything except the governor's office. Desantis is very moderate for a republican and Gillum ended up talking me out of voting for him. Super corrupt and will not talk about anything except women's rights, black rights, latino rights, gay rights, cops are evil, blah blah blah. I'm sorry, but until someone successfully convinces me that everyone except me is going to lose their rights when such and such person wins an election I just can't give a fuck other than seeing this as unnecessarily divisive fear mongering bullshit.

    Did anyone else's state have some of the ballot questions oddly lumped together? We have the following on the same amendment proposals, but I can't for the life of me see what they have in common.

    - indoor vaping and offshore drilling
    - illegal immigrant property, whether or not changes to criminal statutes should be retroactive, and public transportation
    - death benefits for military service members and police officers, college fees, and whether certain colleges should be added to the Florida constitution or not
    - Marsy's law, the retirement age of judges, and branch authority in interpreting certain statutes

    Seriously, it's like they decided that there were too many initiatives on the ballot so they just started lumping shit together.
     
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    I thought Juice was trying to make the point of what he wrote in his first sentence - 'using extreme examples,' not arguing the validity of undercover videos of PP. He could have written
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    Because just like the percentage of gun owners who commit mass murder is extremely tiny, the percentage of abortion clinics that don't incinerate or dispose the fetuses or bodies as medical waste, or donate them free for research, is also very small.
     
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    Bingo. The point was that one is fractionally real and one is completely bogus, because thats the typical arguments both sides use regardless of how prevalent or even valid they are. Aetius is making the point that the PP based on the video turned up inaccurate based on the various state DOJ investigations in 2017, but many believe it because of the video anyway. As far as gun owners, there are nearly 400 million privately owner firearms between approximately 140 million gun owners in the US, with the majority of incidents of gun violence being suicides or with illegally obtained firearms. The point with both of them is that neither side is as extreme as the other makes it out to be.
     
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    The thing that is most weird to me about this sort of politics that have taken over recently is the need some people have to invent problems that didn't even exist and then artificially solve them. It's almost Halloween so of course people are babbling about blackface again. I'm not saying no one has ever done it, but this isn't a thing. This was not a problem people needed to address, but they cannot fucking stop. Megyn Kelly just got fired over this.

    Yeah, that is ok. If you're a sane person. So the lynch mobs are patting themselves on the back for... what? What do they think they accomplished? I really don't get it. If Megyn Kelly gets fired all of the people who weren't doing this are going to continue to not do it? Is that the master plan? What kind of fucking loser do you have to be to care about stuff like this? Why the fuck are people making up problems that either don't exist or barely exist? Do they have nothing else to focus on, or what?
    It's just really weird.

    And of course, with Christmas rolling around conservatives will go full tilt about saying "Merry Christmas." Because if you don't fight for the right to say Merry Christmas they'll come and take your Christmas away. That's right, the ominous they. Whoever the fuck that is supposed to be.
     
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    “We say MERRY CHRISTMAS around here”, they said threateningly.

    It’s only way “Merry Christmas” can scare you.
     
  12. Revengeofthenerds

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    Waited in line for just under an hour and a half to vote today. It was the third time I've driven by my voting place, and the line was significantly longer the two previous times.

    The people running the booths said they've never seen anything like this and the lines have never been under an hour.

    Meanwhile, 538 is now giving the Dems an 86.6% chance of taking the house.
     
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    Can we stop for a moment to make fun of this whole “caravan” bullshit and how people are falling for it? Exactly how does a throng of people with literally nothing walk a thousand miles across a country festooned with mountains?
     
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    I don't know, man. That looks like an all-terrain wheelchair to me.

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    Uh, have you ever been to Mexico, Crown?
    They do have roads there. A lot of them are pretty shitty, but despite popular belief, donkeys aren't the primary means of travel.
     
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    This happens somewhat often. Sometimes they travel in large groups to avoid kidnapping, rape, extortion, etc. It's not like one shows up every day, but yeah, they're not making this up. I mean yes, they're making up the part where half the caravan are ISIS invaders, but as for the fact that's there's actual people, no, that's not a myth. Not sure why you find it hard to believe.
     
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    The caravan exists, but the idea that it's a crisis or a threat is what's made up. They'll arrive at the border (maybe), make asylum applications and be dealt with by the US legal system. We're more than equipped to handle it. Even if they managed to walk across the border without interacting with border patrol in any way, the consequences would barely register.
     
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    Tell that to Operation Faithful Patriot.
     
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    They’re not even refugees anymore. They’re just people that want to cross into the US.
     
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    All the sudden I'm hungry for some marijuanas now.