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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

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    The Soviets never should have had nuclear power. It should be strictly allowed in countries that are NOT cheap, careless and sociopathic towards their citizens.
     
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    But she won’t, because for some reason that’s barely considered a crime. I don’t think the sentence has ever exceeded a year for a rape hoax. It should be a bare minimum of at least a decade.
     
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    I'm not sure putting false accusers in prison is such a great idea. Consider a few things:

    - Some women that have actually been raped are going to end up in prison. I'm not saying it will be super common, but it will happen.
    - Rape is already under reported. Most people would agree that more women should come forward, not less. This isn't going to help with that.
    - When there is a false accusation you now have a situation where the false accuser is much less likely to come out and admit the truth. This doesn't necessarily help the person being falsely accused.

    It's a really shitty thing to do, and as far as justice is concerned prison sentences do seem more fair, but the potential unintended consequences are pretty ugly.
     
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    I think there's a big difference between uncorroborated events that can't be validated vs someone getting caught blatantly and intentionally making shit up that drastically affects someone's life.

    There needs to be some sort of deterrence for making up fake rape claims.
     
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    I agree, at least in principle, but looking at how irrational and emotional people in this country are in responding to sexual assault allegations I just feel like they would inevitably fuck it up.

    This story happens to be about Kavanaugh, and I think that sequence of events really exemplified the whole problem. You had, at best, a few flimsy accusations. The democratic senators repeatedly called them "credible" even though they never were. During the hearing they were constantly grandstanding and calling a Ford a hero, blathering on about the great risks she was taking for women everywhere in the country. It was so fucking wrong and inappropriate on so many levels, it really was a national embarrassment. On top of that every newspaper was digging up any bullshit they could find in Kavanaugh's past in an attempt to portray him as guilty, even though just about every single negative story and embarrassing tidbit was completely irrelevant. Whatever you think about Kavanaugh as a judge or as a person(and it's still possible, although not likely that he was guilty of some of the accusations), if that's how we're going to handle sexual assault allegations that's really pathetic.

    The problem for me is that people are fucking nuts and demand consequences even if the events are uncorroborated. I don't know, maybe it could work, but I just don't like the idea that in these gray area cases instead of just "He needs to go to prison for this!" the other reactionary twats are now demanding she go to prison as well. The real answer is probably that people shouldn't so completely and wholeheartedly emotionally invest themselves into these things.

    More often than not false accusers who get caught are treated like pariahs. It's not really an equalizer, but at least it's not totally consequence free either.
     
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    Falsely reporting any crime is a felony or at least a misdemeanor in some jurisdictions. Why should false sexual assault claims be treated differently?
     
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    It shouldn’t.

    I think the problem is that people are being pressured to just blindly accept a report of sexual assault, which skews things.

    Even around here prople are pushing to blindly accept a woman’s word for such claims.
     
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    -bewildered edit-

    Please make responses on topic and relevant. Thank you.
     
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    Make a point, add to the discussion, or STFU with the “I am 14 and this is deep” bullshit.
     
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    Muddy Waters cannot hide, by who you hate, by this are you truly known, for one thing you can't hide, is when you're crippled inside.
     
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    It should be treated as a crime, but when you're talking a decade or 25 years in prison for a false accusation how much is it going to help the issue in general?
     
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    I'd also like to note that when your strategy involves "kill the males" it is also guaranteed to involve "rape the females."
     
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    I would like to update my earlier statements to include Enhanced Geothermal Systems. The concept is rock solid, but I had thought there were greater technical challenges than there appear to be. The US DOE is running a FORGE project currently (Frontier Observatory for Research in Geothermal Energy) to research and improve commercial viability of the technology. Drilling depths required are only a few kilometers and the raw power extractable per installation is on the order of gigawatts or even hundreds of gigawatts. Costs could be as low as $0.039 per kWh, which is cheaper than coal, natural gas, nuclear, or even wind. It also operates consistently with only transmission-over-the-wire costs associated with distribution (no fuel shipments).
     
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    This isn’t the case. While failures at nuclear plants are rare the results are catastrophic. When is the last time you heard about an accident at a fossil fuel plant or wind farm that left hundreds of square miles uninhabitable, or resulted in the continuous release of thousands of gallons of irradiated water?

    And that is ignoring the reality that nuclear power leaves an extremely dangerous waste product that, 60 years along, we still have no idea how to safely store long term or dispose of.