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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Aetius

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    Watch his questioning of Gorsuch during his confirmation hearings. It's a fun little chess match between two men who clearly know the law, one of whom is trying to get the other to admit that Citizens United was wrongly decided while the other wants to refuse to contradict an existing decision in his own hearing.
     
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    Democrats don’t want him either. Just because he displays the mildest of backbone with his kindasorta pushback against Trump doesn’t change the fact that he voted for all the shitty policies and also for Kavanaugh.
     
  3. Nettdata

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    I wonder how they will shift the goal posts at this point.
     
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    PERJURY TRAP! [Individual-1] is clearly Hillary!
     
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    I’d love a Duckworth/O’Rourke ticket.

    Mainly because watching Trump try his bullshit against Duckworth would be fucking hysterical.
     
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    Trump is giving them all pardons for xmas.
     
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    That’s cool. They can go to state prison instead.
     
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    Good. That’s where the crotch-biters live. Enjoy being a human dress-up doll and holding pockets.
     
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    If they were smart, they wouldn't accept a pardon from Trump if they knew they would immediately be charged with other state crimes. Going to the federal pen is much better, especially for white collar shit.
     
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    You know that they can run federal and state sentences consecutively, right? There's lots of guys who have walked out the prison gates, just to have another agency waiting for them.
     
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    Hey guys, serious question: if Mueller does nail Trump's ass to the wall, do you think Pence will pardon him and he walks?

    That's something I genuinely worry about.
     
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    It’s a possibility but there’s also a possibility Pence doesn’t get out of this either. I think he was aware of a lot more than he let’s on. Manafort picked him after all.

    Also Trump could go down for a whole bunch of state crimes that Pence can’t pardon. A mentioned earlier, federal prison is nicer.
     
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    If he does, he’s not going to enjoy the company of the democrat-controlled house for the rest of his tenure. He will get heat like nobody before him.

    And, they’ll send him to state prison to make sure he does time. And that is the hardest time there is.
     
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    It would depend on what crimes the investigation turns up, but if Pence pardoned Trump he would do it on his last day office. In the event that the impeachment happened January or later AND they both get impeached then Pelosi becomes president and the whole discussion of pardons is moot. Of course this is all dependent on the investigation producing evidence of a Trump/Putin collusion and that evidence still hasn't come forward.

    I'm not sure how likely it is that Trump gets impeached for tax invasion crimes from when he was in New York. There's probably both state and federal tax invasions crimes that theoretically would be impeachable, but there's no precedent and it would pertain to crimes before he took office.

    So what would be the procedure if he's convicted with a prison sentence in New York, but isn't impeached by congress? I really have no idea and it's one of the more bizarre scenarios that's possible.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what does collusion look like to you? You keep saying there’s no evidence yet but I think there’s a lot out there. Could it be a huge real estate deal designed to launder money? Maybe in exchange for election help to drop sanctions? What would satisfy your personal requirement?
     
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    Eye witness testimony, documentation, financial allocation, the usual things. Can I ask what evidence you think there is since you think there's a lot out there?

    Let's say what the guardian posted is true, and Assange met with Manafort. I would consider that evidence. It's not 'proof', but sure, it would be evidence.. but I don't know if the Assange/Manafort meeting actually happened. They have "sources" that told them. Not very concrete, and I wonder why the FBI, the Ecuadorian embassy officials, CIA, the media - whoever isn't able to nail down a firm date the meeting took place. Why isn't it documented like nearly all embassy visits? Manafort would have reason to keep it secret, but ok, why are the sources keeping their identity a secret? Why can't the FBI verify that these sources exist?

    I'm not saying that I for sure think it didn't happen, but it's really flimsy. That's just an example, but so many of the stories that purport evidence are like this. They're really vague, their proof relies on something either unverifiable, or there's a claim they can't/won't release the verification. A lot of the time it's just saying such and such happened, and such and such evidence exists, but they can't show you.

    So Cohen just flipped (again) and now he's about to break this investigation wide open with testimony about collusion. Ok. Maybe. Maybe he will. I've also heard this every time someone has flipped. So far it's not happening.

    I think Trump might be guilty of collusion with Putin. I just don't put the likelihood anywhere near where most of the people on here do. There is coincidental and circumstantial information that's warranted the investigation, but that's as far as it's gone at this point, in my opinion. What is the evidence you've seen that is so compelling?