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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Dcc001

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    As an aside, how pissed off would you be if you lived or worked in Trump Towers? As if normal security concerns and the headache of New York City aren't bad enough; now, suddenly, every day you have to contend with the Secret Service and whether or not the President will be in-house. No thank you.
     
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    Okay, then why would you speculate above and say "Part of me thinks that he's just going to defer the hard decisions to others around him."
     
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    I have a question for some of the people that are still trying to make people with a different opinion feel bad:

    You know she lost for a reason. It isn't that people just got it completely wrong. So why continue to try to tell people that they racist misogynistic, bigoted, etc. etc.? Sure Trump is a racist, a bigot, a misogynist but you still do recognize:

    • Hillary laughed about getting a pedophile off
    • Hillary helped cover up her husbands rape and then dragged his accusers through the mud
    • Hillary has referred to black people as super predators
    • Hillary was for a wall before she was against it
    There was more to this election than identity politics and quite honestly I feel that the two candidates were a push in this category. I also feel like the liberals continue to shoot themselves in the foot by trying to label everyone and not discuss the issues. You can disagree to you heart's content but the results don't lie. You need to find a different approach because this shit above I keep reading is getting you nowhere.
     
  4. Nettdata

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    You are putting forth speculative "reporting" as if it were a fact, I am telling you what my guess is.
     
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    I answered this in the Serious thread:

     
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    I am basically agreeing with you and backing it up with what people close to Trump are saying.

    Fact: advisers said those things to reporters. They didn't just make it up.
     
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    This isn't for me to figure out. I am a fence-sitting Libertarian who hates both sides. If you want my vote convince me you aren't a bunch of useless, whining urbanites for once in your lives.
     
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    In the past few days I have seen countless postings of anonymous public beatings of people by "Trump supporters yelling racial/bigoted remarks" (I guess they're all wearing those red hats with perfect blonde hair and pricey business suits, that's how you can spot them) .One woman has already been busted as a liar. Also, it seems the proven violence hadn't been coming from that team. I'm pretty sure those are anti-Trump people trashing Portland. People treat the fifth estate like its 60 Minutes now, and no major News service doesn't have a very obvious bias these days. People don't want to know what happened. They want the fuel for their fire, that's more fun.
     
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    I'm a left-libertarian myself. I voted for the Libertarian party in the last two elections. And I agree that Hillary was a bad candidate. I've been pissed at the DNC since the primary, because I knew that Hillary Clinton is the only candidate that could possibly lose to Donald Trump. Admittedly I thought it would take an actual FBI indictment to do it, but I saw nominating a candidate with a pending investigation to be hubris bordering on insanity.

    All of that being said, I still view voting for her as a moral imperative solely on the fact that Donald Trump was the opposition. He is genuinely that bad. Half the country simply did "get it wrong."
     
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    Call me Caitlyn. Got any cake?

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    Welp, I don't bargain with petulant, childish tantum-throwing. Guess we'll have to look elsewhere for votes.
     
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    And I said people need to acknowledge Hillary's shortcomings, as well. Most Hillary voters I know did (and the whole "laughed at the pedophile" thing has long been disproven as false). Here is the key difference, and you keep doing it:

    You deflect and deny that identity politics had anything to do with your vote, and that's fine. But at least have the balls to admit you simply don't care about racism, that other stuff is more important to you. Trump is a racist, you openly admit that. You don't even have to say "I am racist." But the idea of racism doesn't matter to you if you voted for Trump. It really is that simple. I'm sorry if that "triggers" you.

    Again, it boils down to a simple thing: whether or not racism or sexism is "bad" is now back up for discussion. I thought we, as a nation, were beyond that discussion, but apparently not.
     
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    Lolz. Take it however you like it. I think this country needs more than two parties but at a minimum it at least needs two.

    I have read what you write, you are a dyed in the wool, life long Democrat. no shame in that. I'm just trying to tell you to be careful not to become irrelevant because right now you are suffering from a real perception problem from half the country.

    As a Libertarian I am disgusted with both parties and would like to see both change. Remember half the country didn't vote. Democrats have an advantage, you now have an imperative to change. Republicans won't change, dying off of the old generation is the only thing that will make some of their bullshit fade it seems. At least until they start losing. Democrats, though, can harness that fifty percent who don't care or are completely disenfranchised.
     
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    The problem is that everything in the US system is set up as winner-take-all. That system will naturally eliminate any more than two parties. There's no parliament where lesser parties can get proportional representation and form coalitions after the fact to negotiate and govern as consensus blocs, it's a simple "whoever gets the most votes controls everything" on election day. I mean hell, the Democrats got more votes than any other party and they have zero control; a third party drawing < 5% is utterly meaningless.
     
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    Your ability to read what I write and completely ignore makes you just as bad as those two parties you supppsedly hate so much.
     
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    And here's the example of the inability or unwillingness to establish dialogue.
    One side is saying "dude you voted for a _______ and completely ignored _______"
    And the other is saying "lulz you were gonna vote for a criminal and I don't even care about those things you mentioned anyway..."
    And then the snake eats its own tail.
    The issues facing the second group have to be acknowledged and the realities the first group are pointing out cannot be ignored.
     
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    And I never said it either.

    The point of my post was simply this, people in general are extremely short-sighted and often only exist within their own realm of reality and understanding.

    One of the most revered, socially progressive presidents in history is also tied to a sliding scale of policies ranging from mildly overreaching to completely fucking horrifying.

    Half of the comments in this thread since the election are being made through the lens of wild speculation mixed with prejudice and malice.

    Let's pump the brakes a tad and let the person who was elected president actually be officially sworn in before we raise our torches and march on the White House.
     
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    I full agree. I look at our legislative system as out-moded. I would like to see our Government go to a parliamentary form of Government. I really would like to see coalitions formed where different sides came together to agree on things and get stuff done. What a breath of fresh air that would be.

    That other post that started with Lolz, wasn't a response to your post. It was a response to Trakiel.

    With that said, I really grow tired of responding to your posts because you continue to double down on identity politics when I keep trying to explain to you that your perspective and the left's perspective in general is not the only one. Just because my hierarchy of importance of issues in this country differs from yours it doesn't make either of us right or wrong and it doesn't make me any of the things that Trump is. I don't go around even beginning to try to draw parallels to you and moral bankruptcy, lying, two-facedness. This is what you are doing though, this is what the left has done for years and many people will vote against you no matter what now because they cannot stand you.

    This doesn't seem to register with you or a lot of people on the left. I personally don't care but I can tell you from my perspective, based on results, you are losing.
     
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    I was thinking about this earlier and I can't see a way to get to there from here. The same system that has given the Republicans a stranglehold on power despite their lack of a clear electoral mandate will allow them to block any efforts to amend it in a way that would weaken their influence.
     
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    I think you are right. That is why all things being equal, I will keep voting for chaos. You need to break it to fix it.
     
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    Climate dude, climate. It's the one thing you can't fix.