No, because Safe Space is a bullshit concept that says you demand to be separated from others because you feel threatened. This is 100% voluntary... it's like going into the next room to get away from the annoying bitch that's always nagging you, not demanding that she leave you alone.
People tend to vote what's best for them. They only worry about the "other guy" when their shit is sorted out. So I'm not surprised that people voted for who they thought best, for them.
Along that same point, I saw a number of views from rural voters around the EPA and global warming, and how they voted Trump to help loosen up the EPA controls. People are thinking, "what the fuck? global warming, all that shit!?!? how could you do that?" Their response? "The EPA only comes down on the little guy, not the mega-corps, so why should I support them if I'm that little guy?" They see mega-corps get slaps on the wrist for major violations, while a small infraction can put the little operator out of business completely. So, big-picture, it looks like the EPA is the way to go, but to the guy in the trenches, they're fucking with his livelihood in an unfair manner, and in a way that's not helping the big picture, so he'd rather see them out of their life so that he can carry on.
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to argue his personal motivations but wasn't clear about that. You explained why you personally voted for Trump, but how can you just extrapolate that and say it's the same reason any majority of Trump voters had? You're going to have to do more to convince me that the reason Trump won was because a bunch of people hate SWJs and PC Culture as opposed to things like economic insecurity or anger at the establishment.
Listen I pointed this out pages ago that it surprised me that the left fought judgemental behavior for decades with minorities only to turn around and use the exact same tactic in the political arena. Make snide comparisions all you want about the right needing safe spaces, it's just adding to the acrimony we find ourselves in. I didn't get to answer Trakiel's question back to me on the subject basically, how should the left act if the right isn't going to play nice the same way and working against the values you hold dear? I am really at a loss at how any real world action can be accomplished in this regard as I think Trakiel was right, the right is just as guilty. Both sides will always end up with hardcore ideals that any action on in the opposing direction is going to be seen as giving up/losing on them. My opinion is that in the long run, in the chess vs. checkers long game, an unyielding view will ultimately cost you everything. I see the rights unbending obstruction as playing a pivotal role in giving rise to a electorate that was tired of a do nothing congress and was willing to heave grenades regardless of the outcome. Where are republicans now? A president elect that hijacked their party and expouses little of the traditional right values. They might have a rubber stamp or they might end up fighting Trump on trade deals, infrastructure spending, etc We'll have to wait and see. I think the one sided labelling and dismissal also lead to this situation. It's been a large tactic by the left and now where do they stand in the fight to preserve their ideals? Maybe rethinking tactics isn't a bad idea no? I truly do not know how you eventually find compromise that will satisfy both sides so its hard to give answer to the inevitable follow point that is Trakiel's question. Some on the left, like the aforementioned Bill Maher and Micheal Moore are proposing total obstructionism in the same way the right did with Obama. Personally it is so fucking negative these days Im so ready to check out of following politics all together.
I'm not here to convince you of anything, nor could I. People were looking for a reason for the defeat, I gave one. Accept it or don't, I don't really care at this point.
As a white male in a very liberal city, you'd think I would feel like a black man in a sundown town. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Shit is pretty good for white dudes here, just like it is most everywhere. The safe space, finger snapping, reefer smoking, beatnik (wait, I'm crossing the Trump/Nixon streams, sorry) type is a tiny subset of a tiny subset. If you think they exist in any meaningful number with any meaningful influence, well then I'm sorry to say ya'll got Breitbart'd, as you will be many more times over the next few years.
I've had a chance to do some thinking and reading and have come up with some ideas on what actions the Left needs to take to make itself better. Whether or not the Left, Liberals, and the Democratic party will do anything on the self-improvement front remains to be seen, but we've got to do something because what we've been doing for the past 20 years sure as fuck hasn't been working very well.
They exist in a very small number, but are being catered to. At least for now. I think this election kind of put things into perspective. Again, it speaks to the overly PC reaction groups and corporations have around anything that may offend anyone. I think this is just one way that people are saying enough is enough.
Trump is not Hitler. Hitler was a doctorated combat vet who served his country willingly. He also had a moustache and was Austrian.
I know he's not literally Hitler. The comparison I made was in the fashion with which I gained support and manipulated his supporters.
I get being annoyed by people being overly PC. I think anyone who posts on this board has to be comfortable with a near total lack of PC, and anyone who has read my retarded posts over the years knows I am quite comfortable with that lack. But it is 99% a bogeyman. I am bewildered that anyone considers it relevant enough to sway their vote for the highest office.
I think it's less prevalent in the corporate setting and moreso on college campuses that you see the ridiculous stuff that engenders such ire.
As a stand alone issue it wouldn't, when you try and have a rational conversation about, say, immagration, and any and all reasonable issues brought up are shouted down with RACISM, XENOPHOBIA,ect, you alienate the reasoanble crowd and you are left with the unreasoanble people. Then apply this to basically all topics and you get people who just want to stick their finger in the eye of the people dismissing them from the jump. Thus it becomes a singular issue. It is the reason I keep bringing up the long game. A clip of Chris Matthews explaining the same thing, there are legitimate issues with immagration, both parties are in favor of the status quo for different reasons and the labeling the left cost them votes instead of actually addressing real issues.
Right: Mexico is sending nothing but rapists and criminals. Anyone Islamic is a terrorist. Left: well that's racist. Right: Stop labeling me! You're divisive rhetoric is the problem! Left: ....*eye twitch*
I agree, there are legitimate issues to be discussed about our immigration policy and enforcement, but this is not that discussion. The employment outlook for actual criminals and rapists in Mexico is pretty good domestically, due to explosive growth in the cartel sector, so they're not coming here. By and large the people coming here are economically desperate folk looking to provide for their families. So when some voter outside of Scranton says that they're voting for Trump because of immigration, us folk who actually live in those dreaded sanctuary cities have the reaction of "what is this pussy afraid of exactly?"
Okay, how about this: Right: You can grab them by the pussy. Left: Huh. That is sexist and advocating sexual assault. Right: Stop being so divisive! Ugh! You're what's wrong with this nation! Give him a chance! Left (finally giving in): Yup! I'm what's wrong. We'll just let sexual assault slide from now on.
They actually have similar or lower crime rates to native populations. Desperate people who find opportunity tend to keep their head down and work.
I won't do back bends to defend some of the nonsense Trump has said. You are not wrong that some of the stuff he says falls into truly racist/sexism territory. Now that we have that out of the way why don't we turn back to the reasonable people the left dismisses in the same way when they try to express a reasonable argument? Please don't resort to the same Trump straw man. See I can be snide too, who wants to debate!?
If you apply only the laws you like, you are correct. Technically their crime rate is 100% since they are breaking the law simply by being here illegally.