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Elephants and Jackasses...

Discussion in 'Permanent Threads' started by Nettdata, Oct 14, 2016.

  1. Kubla Kahn

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    It'd be a hard case of defamation for her to prove since it's obviously set up as satire.
     
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    So Nevada is ditching the app that caused so many problems in Iowa, but doesn't have a plan for how they will count the votes now. Apparently they are scrambling to get volunteers. You would think that a party so determined to stop "the greatest threat to our democracy, like, ever" would manage to not completely fuck up the most basic part of the primary process, but you would be wrong.

    A lot of Sanders supporters are calling foul play, but personally I don't think it played a role in all this. They're really just that stupid.
     
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    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/9/trump-budget-cuts-44-trillion-medicare-discretiona/

    I'm going to be really curious what the actual budget is.

    Some of this I can get behind (foreign aid) some of it seems basic bitch Republican (DOD/DHS increases) some of this seems like a really terrible idea (HUD cuts, in the middle of an affordable housing crisis AND a homelessness epidemic AND a housing bubble).

    I am also curious how cuts to CDC will play out in the middle of Coronavirus and the anti-vax epidemic. Especially since they might be on tap to actually study gun violence...

    Also, wouldn't cuts to Medicare be a death knell for his base? I mean I can get behind right-sizing that program before it's inundated with boomers, but wasn't that political suicide for Bush Sr?
     
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    Medicare is inundated with boomers already. The majority of baby boomers will be retired (or at least the eligible age for Medicare) this year. So I wonder if the cuts, which is over 10 years, is because starting in 2021 the downward slope for boomer retirement begins. There won’t be another roughly similarly sized retirement age demographic until the millennials begin retiring. The details would be interesting when released.

    A lot of garbage programs have historically been caked under HUD, so I wonder if it’s related to that or if it’s truly cuts to the assistance programs.
     
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    Trumpers don't care if it's not in their best interest; they just don't want the Dems to win.
    They are some seriously angry, delusional people.
     
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    Trying to be impartial here, it's a budget. Some of the changes can be good, some can be bad.

    That said, I am struggling to see the political upside to cutting one of the most popular programs in the US healthcare system (which is like being the prettiest Denny's waitress at 3 a.m., but still), aside from the simple math that you likely couldn't NOT cut it and still reduce a trillion dollar annual deficit. It's almost like going after social security, conventional wisdom has it as political suicide, no?

    Some of this almost seems self-destructive: healthcare expenses are outrageous, so gut the most affordable program (also the program the most vulnerable rely on). Housing crisis? gut the agency responsible for providing assistance (even shittily and with an incompetent leader). It's like they are saying "we think the federal government sucks and we will run it into the ground to prove it to you. When we can't do that with incompetence and short-sightedness, we will do it with budget cuts".

    I'm also curious where these cuts were when the tax reform was implemented in the first place? Like, why do this now after racking up 2-3 trillion in debt, as opposed to doing it when you cut the tax revenue 3 years ago?
     
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    I could almost sympathize with the cuts if we weren't dumping more and more into the military. There is just no fucking amount that is enough for some people in this country. Democrats usually vote to increase spending there too unfortunately, but at least the left has some opposition to speak of.
     
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    exactly this. When I try to explain the positions of sanders, Biden, buttiegeg to my die hard trump supporting in laws and how these candidates can directly benefit them, they get all pissed saying how dare you support a liberal!

    they don’t care that trump is objectively bad for them and an embarrassment to the nation. They just don’t want anyone on the left or left-middle. They don’t care to hear the arguments. It’s political racism.
     
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    I was thrust into the position of having to sell Mayor Pete to my Trump voting Father In Law - Not necessarily because I or my wife have talked him up. But I'm from South Bend. So yeah.

    The big stain on Buttigieg was that he didn't have enough political experience. Which is something that Trump voters care about now. Apparently.
     
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    Look at this stupid shit. Start at 3:05.


    The entire video is such a microcosm of the reality bubble that Trump voters live in. They regurgitate clearly wrong information, don't give a shit that it's wrong, but as long as their guy "wins", who gives a fuck that he's making America a joke to the rest of the world, right? The most frustrating thing is that Democrats are supposed to argue in good faith with these assholes, but how are you even supposed to do that when it's clear they only see it as an opportunity to try and own a lib? Like seriously, what's the point in engaging? A large section of the electorate thinks that everything that goes against their political beliefs is some kind of liberal conspiracy.
     
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    If he gains any traction the first thing they can start with why he demoted the first black police chief in South Bend for recording possibly corrupt city hall activities, refusing to release the tapes to this day, and replacing the police chief with himself. And whenever somebody asks what’s on the tapes, he tells them to go fuck themselves and changes the subject.

    Once minority voters outside of Indiana find that out about him, he’s going to have a rough time. And he should, because that whole situation is fucking bullshit and he refuses to be honest about it. Release the tapes if they aren’t harmful, you fucking liar.
     
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    I agree with you guys about the die hard Trumpers, but really, are we just going to pretend "Hillary would never!" and "Keep sucking that Russian dick!" never happened? These things went on for years. That's before even getting to "We are so fucking outraged over these border photos! So inhumane! Oh wait, that was when Obama was president? Ok, we don't care anymore." Good times.

    The only thing anyone needs to bring up about Buttigieg is the clip in this video.



    "There's a lot of considerations and I'm thinking about it."

    "Can you give an example of those considerations?"

    "No."

    I would vote for Biden, even though I don't really like him, but if Buttigieg somehow wins the nomination I'll just stay home. Then idiots can say it's because he's gay when he loses to Trump just like Hillary lost because she's a woman. Buttigieg is absolutely nothing, but a worthless corporate suit.
     
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    It’s a really sad state of affairs that we’re essentially debating who is less worse. They all suck, and to a certain point which of those horrible traits is worse is entirely subjective.

    It would be nice if there was a candidate you actually want to vote for instead of who makes you compromise on your morals and principles less, but unfortunately to get to that point would require a complete collapse of both political parties. And if we haven’t seen that yet, I don’t think we will.
     
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    Free college for illegals, open borders, free healthcare for illegals, free college for everyone....except the white kids, of course, reparations were thrown around for a while, race-based laws or whatever nonsense Warren spouted. Now this:

    https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1226632412081348609

    Specific to Sanders, I will say one thing for him he is honest and says what he means. I respect that about him a lot. I just have near to no common ground with his perspective on the world. I agree Capitalism has it's limits but has done far more positive for the world than communism....or socialism, if that is what he claims to be these days did.

    I vote my wallet. I live in a no state tax location for a reason. Give me a reason to want a Democrat as a President.
     
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    That was Gabbard for me, but she's not only going nowhere in her campaign, they ran her all the way out of Washington. White supremacist, Russian asset, doesn't hate republicans enough.... don't tell me the left is short on idiots.

    As for the parties dying, I tend to doubt it as well, but Bernie is the frontrunner on the dem ticket now and he leads a movement that wants to tear down the party and rebuild it in a new image. Some of that image is questionable to say the least, but they are serious about getting corporate money out of politics, and that's a huge plus for me. It would be very interesting to see what happens if he does win. I don't think the democrats currently in office would make more than some very minor concessions, but I can see it starting a wave of primary challenges with a huge chunk of the current order getting replaced. Some people call Bernie an arsonist for being the figure head of this movement, but my problem with that is the current party fucking sucks. I don't know that socialism is the answer, but we can't be a country that does the right things for the general public until they answer to us instead of the big money donors. You have to start there.
     
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    Also, what is a dog-faced pony soldier?
     
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    See I'm not convinced Sanders is a socialist. I think it's more that it's a popular term right now and he's owning for the sake of votes, kinda like how trump touted the wall for votes even though there was no way in hell it was actually gonna happen.

    I also think a lot of people are confusing socialism with communism. Granted, I don't like socialism (I would be very happy if the welfare system was completely removed). I'm not saying what Sanders is doing is correct. I just think he's doing it more for the sake of votes than because he actually believes it.

    I don't think we should be a country that does anything for the general public beyond the basic of infrastructure, protection, a legal system etc. People need to be held accountable for their own actions and position in life, and the government needs to fuck out of bailing them out, or telling them what to do. Had 7 kids and can't afford it now? Tough shit, looks like you're about to figure it out. Want to own a grenade launcher? Go ahead. Just don't break any laws with it and we're cool.
     
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    Somebody who is about to launch an attack on the Enterprise? Dunno either.

    Somebody needs to hang it up, put on their slippers and pass out in front of the Golf Channel every night. Dude is losing it.
     
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    The only people who I know that actually want to vote for Bernie are poor people with shitty jobs and hollywood celebrities. I'm sure he's likable as a person, but his whole thing is getting everyone to hate rich people and not having a plan to pay for any of his shit. (Hint: mostly likely regular folks). Medicare for all gives me a panic attack. I've been working in the medical field for over 10 years now. A lot of it was spent in facilities that cater only to those who have Medicare/Medicaid. I tell ya what...each facility is just like going to the DMV. The daily wait times for a basic ultrasound were 45 minutes to an hour past your appointment. Everything was dirty. Because there will be a lot less money to go around when everything is completely federally funded(if Bernie had his way), the overall quality will go to shit, even at nice places.

    What would most likely happen if he won would be some sort of watered down public option, where it would be "Medicare for all, if you want it." I don't think people should go bankrupt for medical debt, but people shouldn't be forced to give up a nice plan they have with their families because some freelance writer for a hipster publication makes $20k/year and sells nudes on patreon and thinks they deserve free handouts.
     
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    It cracks me up that he flubs in this hilariously old codger way. It's like a cartoon. He brought up "the word gap" an outmoded idea from 30 years ago.


    Also the democrats are getting money out of politics? LoL. Bloomberg opened his coffers and the establishment has been more than willing to accommodate him. You think Bernie Sanders would turn down the well funded technology based country wide campaign networks Bloomberg has promised to hand over to whoever is the nominee?